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Jun 11 2012 09:04am
Currently:

All users can see how much forum gold any other users have.


Concerns:

Many people ask for loans, donations, or overprice goods and services when they see a user has a certain amount of forum gold.


Proposed Solution:

Allow users to display public forum gold amount that is equal to or less than the actual forum gold the user has.


Why:

If we use analogous system such as real life banking, we see that our credit cards have a limit, this ensures sellers of goods and services that we have the means (credit) to spend up to that amount of money.
However, sellers of goods and services DO NOT know how much actual money we have. When we see people in the streets we can see the types of clothes or cars they have (public wealth), however we are not aware of their actual monetary worth. Financial information is generally not publicly known, and is only revealed by "the ability to pay for something" (like getting a loan, you have to prove you can pay for something) there is no requirement to show your full net-worth.


Additional constraints:

Limit changing public forum gold amount to every four hours (or some agreed upon specified time), you should not need to change the amount more often than you bump topics, this also will prevent users from abusing the feature.
In no way shape or form will you be able to show that you have more forum gold than you actually have.
The feature is just that, a feature, users would not be forced to change what amount of fg they have revealed to the public.
Moderators and site admins will always be able to see full amount of fg held by any user
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Jun 11 2012 10:57am
Example:


End Result:
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Jun 11 2012 01:30pm
With all due respect to Mens, i must disagree with this suggestion. Albeit beneficial to many users, this would mainly be effective in usage for the users with larger amounts of forum gold. Considering the number of individuals who attempt to scam or steal based on the site's trading system, hiding one's FG amount could be used in more deceptive and potentially nefarious ways. It could also be used opposite its intended function in order to 'pay less' for a trade. By limiting your visible forum gold, you may convince another user that x amount is all you can afford, and since they have no moderator or admin privileges, they will be unable to determine if this is a lie. Altogether i believe this suggested alteration to site function would have mixed effect, to say; not entirely beneficial to all users. I would also call into question the amount of time/effort this would take in implementing new code in the forum software. Not worth it in the end in my humble opinion.
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Jun 11 2012 01:40pm
If anything, all that proves is that you take into account how much fg someone has before selling them something... this is what I'm trying to get rid of. I don't see any possible way of "scamming" at best sure you can show you have less fg, but I don't see how that's a scam.

As for time/effort this would take in implementing new code into software, I will be more than happy to provide the code myself, its very simple to do because its not changing your gold amount, just what is shown visually, it can be implemented as easily as:

Code
if (_user.fg > _user.settings.fg_max_show)
{
      return _user.settings.fg_max_show;
}
else
{
      return _user.fg;
}


it's only a visual change, the actual amount in your acc does not change nor is the user fg count any way shape or form modified

Honest traders shouldn't change their prices on people based on what fg they have... regardless of whether its low or high. Thanks for your opinion though.

Also one of the main points in this thread is to bring up the issue of privacy, I for one don't like my forum gold info publicly available just as I would not want my finances revealed in real life.



Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Jun 11 2012 02:42pm)
This is just opening a whole new avenue to scamming "Oh I have more fg, only showing part of it." the rule require you to only offer what you have by implementing this you would be forcing the mod team to take on more work to police something that isn't needed at all.


if you have more fg, then show it, there is no need to have mods verify anything

can you give me an example of what you would have to police?

This post was edited by Mens on Jun 11 2012 01:52pm
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Jun 11 2012 01:42pm
This is just opening a whole new avenue to scamming "Oh I have more fg, only showing part of it." the rule require you to only offer what you have by implementing this you would be forcing the mod team to take on more work to police something that isn't needed at all.
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Jun 11 2012 01:44pm
Voting no.
People ask for loan: Block or ignore
People overprice goods: don't buy them
People overprice services: go to someone else.

Find the honest traders, don't give loans or donations that you don't want to.
E: Also this:

Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Jun 11 2012 03:42pm)
This is just opening a whole new avenue to scamming "Oh I have more fg, only showing part of it." the rule require you to only offer what you have by implementing this you would be forcing the mod team to take on more work to police something that isn't needed at all.


This post was edited by Protagonist on Jun 11 2012 01:45pm
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Jun 11 2012 01:54pm
Quote (Mens @ Jun 11 2012 03:40pm)
If anything, all that proves is that you take into account how much fg someone has before selling them something... this is what I'm trying to get rid of. I don't see any possible way of "scamming" at best sure you can show you have less fg, but I don't see how that's a scam.

As for time/effort this would take in implementing new code into software, I will be more than happy to provide the code myself, its very simple to do.

Honest traders shouldn't change their prices on people based on what fg they have... regardless of whether its low or high. Thanks for your opinion though.

Also one of the main points in this thread is to bring up the issue of privacy, I for one don't like my forum gold info publicly available just as I would not want my finances revealed in real life.


i have never, nor would i ever, take fg into account when making trade(s). the only case in which i may do so is if a person only has, say, 5fg and theyre looking for an item or service that would normally be 10. in that case, i may at times be willing to go ahead and help a person out. i merely think people would use a feature like this in order to facilitate "this-is-all-i-have" type of trades, whereas they actually have more than they display.
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Jun 11 2012 02:01pm
Quote (darjkeel @ Jun 11 2012 02:54pm)
i have never, nor would i ever, take fg into account when making trade(s). the only case in which i may do so is if a person only has, say, 5fg and theyre looking for an item or service that would normally be 10. in that case, i may at times be willing to go ahead and help a person out. i merely think people would use a feature like this in order to facilitate "this-is-all-i-have" type of trades, whereas they actually have more than they display.


Possibly, though I don't seem much of "this-is-all-i-have" type of trades currently, even when a majority of users have a low amount of fg, also that situation applies with +- fg doesn't seem significant, versus couple thousand etc. Once again if you don't price your items based on what fg a person has, that shouldn't be an issue, if you can't afford the item / service then you can't have it, that's how it works right now.
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Jun 11 2012 04:11pm
no.
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Jun 11 2012 04:17pm
The cons is just too bad.

Voted no.
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