Some of those stuffs could be really hard to prove imho.

Nul'd here.

It would need rules and criteria of course. It is difficult to prove but people get taken advantage of too often



This isn't what we're referencing at all, its the exchange of entry fees for material things such as custom ranks and signatures.
It would need specific rules as previously stated so that this situation wouldn't wind up in innocent owners becoming locked.



Agreed.



We can discuss this at a later date, but I know for sure that is not true.

Why not discuss it now? I've made a sig for BTK, GoSuEric, Autumn, Instigator, Rean, Soviet, Swearingan, pallywally, and the man in question + a few rand others I didnt save the PSD for. And from what I've heard, he also bought you a sig.

The bold is incorrect. I sent my entry fee, and was told that trekzan would contact me soon. A week went by, so I pm'ed trekzan, and he had no clue that he was supposed to make me a sig. Of course he made me one, but had I not taken the initiative myself, I would have never received it.

@ red: These members were either constantly in/out or friends that didn't have to pay the entry fee. They may have gotten sigs on their first round in.
@ blue: This has no relevance.
@ green: These people never joined.
@ purple: These guys got the signatures from you.
@ yellow: I can't say with certainty that he got his. If you have a .psd for him, then that's fine. If not, thats another person who never got their signature.
@ orange: Erica had to go out of her way to even be acknowledged, like I had to.

There were incidents of this before you joined, mine included.

There are still people who never got their signatures (to my knowledge):
GoSuEric
Kriptonyte
Aeecon
ILE
nestlepurelife
bdvlord
GaAaRy
TyLeRNOFX
Evicted

But you DID receive it. Who's to say the leader wouldn't have pm'd him also? Is it too hard to take a little initiative...? One pm is NOT a big deal. And neither is being ignored. That just means you aren't prominent enough or say anything worth while. Such is the reason for nestle's experience with the guild, all he said was "mhmm. yeah me too." or "I know". He left after a few days, and the that was the reason he didnt get a sig.
Only people I know who didnt get their sigs are bolded. I did erica's, it wasnt very good as my skill was lacking, but I did it. I did ILE's, but he donated 100fg for it, I was going to make Tylers but he never told me what he wanted. I kept perstering him about it so he could get it but he was too indecisive. What your also forgetting is that tang made song sigs, as well as trek for other guildies. I wasn't the only gfx guy making stuff.
So all I see is 5 guys that I DIDN'T do, and many more that I DID do. The majority got their sigs, including you. I'm actually appalled you call yourself a victim of this. You made one pm. Hoopty fucking doo.

There is just so much more to do in the Scammer Accusations.

As i am going to say, if your a guild leader don't bring in randoms into your guild ( bring in people you trust )

So, yes this is a good idea.

I love it.

But there is WAY to many negatives to take into consideration when doing a topic as in what Arsenic said, UT topics.. That could be a problem

Love it, Null'd WAY to much going back and forth

- Thanks, Joe

Thats why I wished to keep it private. For the sake of debate, I replied once and I got flaming in return. :/
James pm me if you want to continue this discussion.

We are only concerned with things such as ranks or signatures (specifically) that could be more objectively observed. We arent so much concerned with services and guild functions.
The guild leader in the specific case intentionally targeted newer members or recently active members, intentionally or not, so I think a distinction could be made about 'randoms' and people you trust.

No with this many Members will be get Locked