The deer I hunt and the fish I catch I know where they come from and I know there is nothing added on. When I hunt, I never injured an animal. For exemple, the deer I killed last fall with crossbow, died inside 3 minutes because I got a perfect shot at it. Its notslaughter an animal at all. I dont want to see a wild animal getting injured and die from suffering more than 10 minutes. If I kill for fun I wouldnt care the way but its not.

All those animal's meat you buy in the store, do you have an idea how they lives, gorw and the way they are put to death ?

Y&ou have to show a minimum of respect about hunter because its written inside our genes. If human has survived through the ages its because we had to hunt and find a way to not being a prey for others carnivores but ourselves, dominated the earth by being the boss. Dont think you have survived by just eating nuts and fruits..

Was waiting for someone to say this.



If they're on the internet it's really just a matter of time to be honest. One of their friends will be like "hey dude look at this" and then the doors are wide open.



Not according to Dr. James D. Rose:


"Do fish feel pain?
The world's foremost expert on the subject is Dr. James D. Rose of the University of Wyoming. He's spent 30 years working on questions of neurology, examining data on the responses of animals to painful stimuli. In 2003 Rose published a landmark study in the journal Reviews of Fisheries Science, concluding that animals need specific regions of the cerebral cortex in order to feel pain. And fish do not have them."

Edit:

Also, this thread itself could be used as evidence for a Hunting and Fishing subforum imo. There hasn't been needless spam/flaming just logical thoughts/opinions.

This post was edited by Jct on Apr 29 2010 12:57pm

fishes around the mouth only got bones and "cartilage" <- not sure about that word

so they cant feel any pain in that area

3 minutes bleeding on the floor, sounds painless. Totally.

Yes, I make sure I only buy meats from sources which I agree with, where the animals are allowed free range roaming etc. However this is irrelevant, hunting is not for food as buying things in stores is, hunting is for sport, fun, killing for fun

Why is this relevant to having a subforum about it? We have evolved, we're debating on the internet, we don't live in the dark ages and NEED to hunt for food now. I would never pre-judge someone who hunt's personality without meeting them



Again, by your reckoning it could then be said, surely, that children should be exposed to pornography at any age, cause "it's only a matter of time"

I have read differently, however your claim IS interesting sir. I however disagree, I think the majority of fish do have pain receptors. Further reading would be good though imo on this, very interesting

This would normally be placed in HERE, Probably



So, they can still feel pain, right? I believe and still stand by my point, that fish can feel pain throughout their bodies

This post was edited by Razzattack on Apr 29 2010 01:05pm

Also:

" Recent research published in April 2003 by The Royal Society investigated the sensory system of trout through their responses to injections of bee venom and acetic acid around their mouths. In effect the research was trying to find out whether fish possessed the same kind of pain receptors that have already been identified in amphibians, birds and mammals including humans. And secondly, whether the response to the pain producer (i.e. the bee sting etc) was not just a reflex response which might be akin for example to pressing the belly of a talking barbie doll; but rather an actual adverse reaction to the pain stimulus.What they found was that the fish had 58 such receptors around the mouth and actually reacted at lower levels of pain stimulation then humans, perhaps because their skin is more easily damaged. After the fish were injected with the venom they were observed to show a rocking motion akin to that displayed by other mammals when experiencing stress; they also rubbed their lips on the bottom of the tank and against the walls, and took over twice as long to resume feeding then a control group. The study was led by Dr Lynne Sneddon of Liverpool University.

So they feel pain even more, according to this study

Well, of course there are limits. But if they're at the age when their parents allow them to be online by themselves then they should be mature enough to handle these types of things.

Getting a bit off-topic now.

This post was edited by Jct on Apr 29 2010 01:09pm

Some children arn't allowed on these sites. Proxies offer ways around, I know I was using such sites when I was 12. Yes, slightly off topic However, if you were a parent, you would assume that this was merely a "gaming" community, right? So you'd think it was fairly free of such content, right?

Also read the bit about the fish, they feel more pain than humans more easily

how come same fish takes my bait 6times? happens all the time, if the fish would feel the pain.. he wouldnt take the bait

Because they're too stupid. They lack cognition. They lack the mental capacity to realise that your bait is actually a trap.

I don't really see how you could identify "the same fish" 6 times... but yeah

Well, if/when I become a parent I'll know better than to just let my kids roam freely on the internet because I've been brought up in the age of the internet. Parents right now may be naive enough to believe a gaming forum is strictly for gaming.

Ahh the internet, full of conflicting information:

"
Do fish feel pain?
The world's foremost expert on the subject is Dr. James D. Rose of the University of Wyoming. He's spent 30 years working on questions of neurology, examining data on the responses of animals to painful stimuli. In 2003 Rose published a landmark study in the journal Reviews of Fisheries Science, concluding that animals need specific regions of the cerebral cortex in order to feel pain. And fish do not have them.

But doesn't it hurt to have a hook in your mouth?

There's a big difference between pain and the perception of pain (which scientists call "nociception"). Dr. Rose explained to London's Telegraph newspaper:

"Pain is predicated on awareness … A person who is anaesthetized in an operating theatre will still respond physically to an external stimulus, but he or she will not feel pain. Anyone who has seen a chicken with its head cut off will know that, while its body can respond to stimuli, it cannot be feeling pain."
"

I'd like to find and read his study but I'm just too lazy to find it right now.