I am genuinely curious why you think spamming trade threads with irrelevant whining qualifys as this, specifically one of the trades youre talking about was for the 2/3/40/2os claw that you bought for 75k. You were upset that I asked him not to sell because I currently didnt have FG as a friend was holding it and buying items/helping me gear while I was away from JSP, thats not even me bidding on the item, its simply me letting OP know that I would offer X more once I had more FG back rather then spamming the thread like you enjoy so much. Not only did you harass me in the thread about it you also harassed the OP that was selling the claw. So much so that he actually sent me FG as a tip after he sold it to you.



The fact that you think spamming threads literally all over this forum, for what seems to be attention seeking, is any less of a rule thats being broken by you then "pm trading" then im baffled.

Well, less about "being transparent and gm" more about following provided trade rules. No point in having a rule if it's consistently being broken and there's no repercussions.

Sure, I can back out of any trade but not all items are easily obtainable like Shako. Some things are extremely rare. I don't like rewarding poor behavior by bidding and showing interest towards an item when the trader isn't following rules, but if I need or want something then I bite the bullet.

It should all come down to less my own values and the trade rules themselves. What I think , feel, or whatever doesn't matter. What really matters is following the trade rules. They are not being followed in this area. Trading now is a completely different world than 10 to 15 years ago.

This post was edited by Invincible on Jul 26 2022 11:50am

After some thought on the subject, I think one way to help this is to have Auctions added to trade forums. Also adding trade pms would be helpful.

You set a start time and end time, minimum bid, and what currency is being used. (Currency could even be hel runes if you sell a gul for example)

In auctions, you can only bid, and there's always a time limit for the thread. The thread automatically closes and jsp automatically sends the winner and the maker of thread a pm confirming price ect. In auctions, the thread owner has the option to turn off all trade related pms until the auction ends. Once completed, trade pms are then allowed.

Add a flag for the system to track trade based pms. Trade pms can be turned off or on or turned off and on based on elasped time. If someone tries to pm you when you have pms turned off, then the sender will receive a message stating "trade pms are currently turned off"

If you use the pm option in a thread to pm, it automatically gets flagged as a trade pm. If a user pms a user and it's a "general" pm, then that user can be reported for attempting to trade outside of a trade pm.

Remove the option to pm other users in their own trade thread. Eg, the thread holder can pm anyone in thread. And anyone in the thread can pm the thread owner. But no pming (at least with the button) other users. Since I don't have a thread active, then the pm would have to be general.

Create the option to push a pm into a thread. Eg. A user pms me what's bin? I go and use the push to thread option. This removes the pm from my box and moves it into the thread. The owner of the pm is blocked from sending any further pms and must make the choice to either accept the pm being out into the thread or click "retract" to not have it posted in thread.

add a soft lockout from pming the thread owner or posting in thread if the pm to thread button is used and the other user hits retract.

Just some ideas to help clean up trades, make them more efficient, and have a more friendly experience for all.

add the option: report general pm as trade pm. thats more staff work though. so add the option to convert a general pm to a trade pm or thread post. same soft lockout.

I realize some of the things posted here have a lot of what ifs. That's because I'm brainstorming here. I think if some of the above was entered, then it would automatically clean up some issues. It should actually be easier for staff.

This post was edited by Invincible on Jul 27 2022 05:17pm

All of your posts to the guy offering in pms were spam and could have been sent in pm or not at all.

Incorrect. I was talking about the trade.

Spam=off topic conversation
Spam doesn't= non-bids

This is a forum not a bidding website. It's meant for discussion as well regardless of the forum that it's on.

For example, the below post is not spam even though the poster said "no more spam plz":

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=95877131&f=271

The one being accused of spam is talking about the item and the quality of the item. These types of conversations help create transparency. Discussion shouldn't flat out be denied. It helps everyone.

Again, it does not say "add bid" in the trade forums. It says "add reply".

My above suggestion would also add in auctions with only "bids" if people wanted to do that. I don't think it's a bad idea. I'm not saying the culture of non-conversation is bad. I'm simply saying that currently, things are misaligned in a few places.

I can see the forest for the trees. I've been away for a long time. 10+ years really.


Not sure about other's definition of spam, but down below would be the consensus across the internet.

By the below definition, discussing the trade, the intentions of the trade, the item(s) itself, the seller's reputation or behavior, and a potential buyer's reputation or behavior don't fall into that category.



This post was edited by Invincible on Jul 27 2022 07:21pm

I think an auction idea seems cool. You could make it require the FG up front with an automated tool. This way people don’t back out of trades. Trades are essentially mediated and Fg auto delivered.

I use PM or DM trading quite a bit because I rather talk with the buyer/seller 1 on 1 then share all of our conversations in a trade thread. Not trying to hide anything but rather be considerate of everyone else. Isn’t that what private messaging is for?

Problem I see is people sell using an “auction format” but don’t follow the rules properly. An automated auction trade feature would keep the structure consistent. You pick FT or ISO and then open trade or auction style. Set your reserve and BIN…and even time frame. Buyer to confirm purchase in X time. Bot/development feature would handle the rest. More of a “trade tool”…doesn’t really need to be auction based either. Hell the site owners could charge fees to justify the dev work.

This post was edited by bsD2R on Jul 29 2022 11:09am

Why are you spending this entire thread trying to redefine the definition of spam so you can continue to irritate people in their posts with unwanted ‘discussion’?

"FG auto delivered upon a trade"

unless D2R offers a public/private API to access the exact timestamp, items, etc when a successful trade happens, that's impossible. You realize d2jsp is not associated with battle.net/Diablo right, it's just a gaming forum.

Maybe a mediator could be involved somehow?

Literally flawless, thanks.