Of course, and regardless of what you think, always use a mediator!

For sure agree with that:)

There's no point when you can just use a mediator, this would only encourage people to scam high value items after gaining a large number of trades.

Much like everything else - this could be abused both ways. Two friends could make a ton of "legit" trades between each other to increase their "credibility" and this could also go the other way where users are reporting negative trading experiences to tarnish a users "credibility" with or without cause

Voting no

All valid points. Thanks for feedback!

I think in the end d2jsp is going to do nothing long term to stop the scammers (ex having to verify yourself and where you live etc before being able to trade like how playerauctions does it) and ultimately scammers are going to keep doing what they're doing. If d2jsp really wants to protect their users from being scammed then there has to be more vetting done when people sign up. All these guys have to do is changing their monitor resolution, IP, mac address and hardware IDs... It's so easy that I have no idea why d2jsp hasn't added any extra features to verify new members.
Obviously this wouldn't stop older accounts from scamming, but I think the biggest trend we're seeing in the S/A is people pulling the "My friend can't PM you, he's in game trade1/1" and naive users falling for it. People who cry for people to "just use a mediator" are just hoping the bandaid will stop the bleeding, but in reality the problem is deeper than "just using a mediator"

Though slightly off-topic, I agree with some of the points you mentioned. In particular about people constantly suggesting to “always” use mediators. When you are starting, you aren’t even able to trade above the 100fg requirement to use a mediator. Once you do cross that, there’s still a general lack of desire from most of the people to use mediators for anything less than a few thousands. I have commented this before, but I know for a fact I wouldn’t have been able to trade as efficiently and get anywhere if I insisted on mediator usage every time.

I am not saying this trading metric will prevent scammers. It will simply provide more information for the users to evaluate. It can be misleading; just as the join date can be misleading. However, in my opinion, more information is better than less. There is a reason why so many people put their transactions for the month in their signatures; they believe it gives them more credibility. And that makes sense to me.

I think my post was just hoping that d2jsp will actually do something to prevent any of what we're talking about from happening. If d2jsp was able to vet the new users joining better, and vet users that are already here I think that would be a good start in making d2jsp safer all around. Obviously the mediator process still needs to be a thing, but I think there is something bigger that needs to be done to get rid of and prevent bad apples from coming back. If everyone had to verify their address / id etc when joining then I think things would be different, but because anyone can sign up without any background checks the same people are coming back over and over with innocent people losing their items / fg / $. It sucks that it seems like they don't care, but in the end this website is all about making $ so by adding those extra security features I believe a lot of profits would be lost because people wouldn't want to provide that information. In the end, I can see why nothing is being done, but I also feel like there needs to be some sort of line where customer security should be a higher concern over profits at some point.

No need.
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Quote (Whao @ Nov 19 2021 05:14pm)

I think my post was just hoping that d2jsp will actually do something to prevent any of what we're talking about from happening.

Ummm… they did do something. They made the process for mediation simple and available around the clock. It used to be an arduous process — now, it’s ridiculously simple and efficient, and foolish not to use… especially for new members.

I don’t personally care about join dates, wallet size, or how many topics someone has spammed with nonsense to increase their post count. If I don’t know you, I’m not giving first and I will gladly wait for a mediator. If someone doesn’t want to wait for a mediator, find someone else to trade with. Your better off finding a new trader opposed to getting shafted.

People here establish rapport with one another over time and that does correlate to join date, as when you are around longer, you get to know more people, and those people trade with you more willingly. That’s an inherent risk seasoned users opt to take. They understand the risk involved, but they do it among other seasoned users and weight the risk vs reward. As a new user, you typically don’t have this luxury. That’s not what you want to hear, I understand, but that’s just how it is.

Unfortunately, the SA page is filled with 2021’s scamming other 2021’s and that is what people see. It’s sad because mediation is so simple right now to use and literally every single SA was preventable. I honestly don’t know what more JSP could do other than they have already provided.

Bottom line, use a mediator. I have to vote no on this one.

Using a mediator makes sure that both parties receive on what was agreed upon and prevents scams. What would be the deeper problem?
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