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Mar 23 2021 09:14pm
Quote (Janakah @ Mar 24 2021 11:05am)
I fail to understand this point of view which has been brought up multiple times. Just because there would be guild gold bank, doesn’t mean anybody and everybody in the guild would have permission to take it as they pleased. The owner of said guild gets to give those permissions. Just like any other permissions guild owners have authority over. Getting “scammed” is irrelevant because it’s the guild owners choice to allow different individuals guild gold rights.

Lastly, there is a punishment system already built into scamming or stealing forum gold and people get scammer tagged and locked. So this isn’t bringing anything new to the table where there are thousands of checks and balances to be made. The system already exists.


There are people who could go on months or even years to earn one person's trust, just to take advantage of the person in the end. I have seen that a lot IRL as well as in video games.
After taking out all the FGs, the person could just spend it all on game currencies before being taken action against.

But maybe I am just being paranoid.
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Mar 23 2021 09:16pm
The guild bank already exists. Members can use their own fg to buy perks to the guild. It's not a collective bank, but it still gets the same job done.
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Mar 23 2021 09:16pm
Quote (bill4039564 @ Mar 23 2021 10:14pm)
There are people who could go on months or even years to earn one person's trust, just to take advantage of the person in the end. I have seen that a lot IRL as well as in video games.
After taking out all the FGs, the person could just spend it all on game currencies before being taken action against.

But maybe I am just being paranoid.


I think a lot of people are lol. It’s not just you.
I personally wouldn’t give anybody ai didn’t know IRL the ability to access Guild Gold. I would advise that if others too.
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Mar 25 2021 04:47am
I like the idea. But I guess there have to be lots of new rules to make it sure against any misstreatment.

About the issue someone can grab the fg and scam it: The leader can give the permission to acces the bank (thats how you planned it ? ). So the leader can have acces himself only or give the power to in his eyes trusted people. Now you could ask why this is needed if you can hold the fg as person. Well I can imagen that some people my seperate guild funds and private fg and have it spatially separated.

Even if I agree, I can imagen that the effort to implement this and to overthink the rules it is not in proportion to the benefit for everyone.
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Mar 25 2021 04:32pm
Quote (dj_cj @ Mar 25 2021 05:47am)
I like the idea. But I guess there have to be lots of new rules to make it sure against any misstreatment.

About the issue someone can grab the fg and scam it: The leader can give the permission to acces the bank (thats how you planned it ? ^Janakah). So the leader can have acces himself only or give the power to in his eyes trusted people. Now you could ask why this is needed if you can hold the fg as person. Well I can imagen that some people my seperate guild funds and private fg and have it spatially separated.

Even if I agree, I can imagen that the effort to implement this and to overthink the rules it is not in proportion to the benefit for everyone.



Yeah, I just like the idea of being able to rank guilds by other means than Ladder Slasher Points. Having a rich guild is like something you’d see in an anime or something and I kind of like that idea of guilds being able to use their FG influence in the name of the guild and not have that underlying what is truly the guilds gold and not the guilds gold. Outside of creating a multi in the name of the guild or some crap. Which is illegal I’m pretty sure.

I also like the idea of having officially sponsored tournaments & events in Diablo and such.

Like who is truly the best non-bot PVM leveling guild?

Okay let’s have each guild put in a 5,000 gold entry fee at the beginning of ladders that gets sent to a mediator. And the first guild to have a level 99 wins.

You can have guild fundraisers like guilds can host services. For every leveling job 10% of that job goes to the guild collective for PVP tournament entry fees like way back in the day when Palapk Nation & Melee used to unofficially sponsor melee tournaments and melee ladders. It could be official with this.

Although I do see the argument of “scammers can use gold banks to funnel stolen FG. I don’t think it would take a lot of programming if somebody gets caught scamming and they sent a sum of FG to a guild bank. That gold could be confiscated. Gold logs and all can prove these things.
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Mar 25 2021 06:33pm
I like the idea but as stated above there's too much room for BS..
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Mar 25 2021 06:46pm
Cannot see any pros that can outweigh the many cons. As a fellow guild leader, I vote no. sorry.
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Mar 25 2021 09:38pm
Guilds are site wide. A Guild Leader sees a lot. I do not want to review Forum Gold Logs and ask everyone 100 questions, or any of the other unspoken truths. If you need to support the Guild and its members with Forum Gold then I suggest building a Ranking System to support that. This will help build you a team that understand and desires to be involved with moderation of Forum Gold used for the Guild and correctly. It also enables the Guild owner to allow someone to take a responsibility for a mistake and not have it moderated by the site staff. You also have Guild Topics which can be used for when someone is interested in any Forum Gold set aside for Guild members. This also enables transparency among multiple Guild Members and could allow for a Guild Owner or other High Ranking individual to be completely out of the loop of such a system.
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Mar 25 2021 10:17pm
Quote (Josha @ Mar 23 2021 10:35am)
I think the idea of “banking fg” has been dismissed many times because it makes it easier for scammers to hide fg.
If you want to donate to a guild, you can donate to its leader. Some guilds, such as mine, will publicly list donations and how much is currently
In the “bank”, though it’s just one person holding it.


Not allowed to bank fg
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Mar 26 2021 04:31am
Quote (Sempervirens @ Mar 25 2021 10:38pm)
Guilds are site wide. A Guild Leader sees a lot. I do not want to review Forum Gold Logs and ask everyone 100 questions, or any of the other unspoken truths. If you need to support the Guild and its members with Forum Gold then I suggest building a Ranking System to support that. This will help build you a team that understand and desires to be involved with moderation of Forum Gold used for the Guild and correctly. It also enables the Guild owner to allow someone to take a responsibility for a mistake and not have it moderated by the site staff. You also have Guild Topics which can be used for when someone is interested in any Forum Gold set aside for Guild members. This also enables transparency among multiple Guild Members and could allow for a Guild Owner or other High Ranking individual to be completely out of the loop of such a system.


All of the counter arguments I hear are like using a pair of sheets to mow the lawn. They offer the same results but take more time and responsibility of the owner. And a lot of them offer more room for error and misinterpretation the the actual solution.
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