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Jan 4 2013 08:24pm
This is the sentence that i agree with

If they want to prove they deserve to remain on the site after victimizing an innocent user, I see no reason for them to be able to post unless they are contributing to the site, which if they don't plan on repaying their scams, what contribution could they possibly give in the sections? They will only cause drama.

if u can work out a more solid idea around this, this is a golden idea
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Jan 4 2013 08:25pm
Quote (Rebellious @ Jan 4 2013 11:20pm)
Repay meds only hold the fg, they don't post for trades for scammers. This idea is not thought out at all.


things change over time, why couldn't meds do these trades? The scammer pms a med saying I have XX coins for xx fg, please post in this forum and do the trade for me. The user doing the trade with the scammer and med, sends the fg to the med than when the scammer gives the coins to the user doing the trade he takes a picture and gives it to the med so confirm the trade happened.
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Jan 4 2013 08:26pm
There may not be incentive to repaying, but that's not the point of this topic. The point of this topic is asking for them to have their post rights rebuked which I think is wrong. If anything it would cause them to not want to repay because it's too much work in the first place. Anyways, at the current point in time with the rules that are currently in place, I say no.
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Jan 4 2013 08:30pm
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No; this idea isn't the greatest.

I understand what you're saying but as people said before; it's not a 1 size fits all sort of deal.


Presuming they're immaturity is a generalization to which you've brought upon yourself.

Can you post that in Yoda's topic?

^^^^^^^^^6
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Jan 4 2013 08:33pm
Quote (Rebellious @ Jan 4 2013 11:26pm)
There may not be incentive to repaying, but that's not the point of this topic. The point of this topic is asking for them to have their post rights rebuked which I think is wrong. If anything it would cause them to not want to repay because it's too much work in the first place. Anyways, at the current point in time with the rules that are currently in place, I say no.


you are right about lack of thought, but maybe once they begin repaying they get their posting rights back. Also you are looking at this in 1 way, if the scammer is only able to view the topics and not be able to post but really wants to add his opinion it could also be more of an incentive to repay

Quote (Aidzz @ Jan 4 2013 11:30pm)
^^^^^^^^^6


yes, 1 shoe does fit all. When do users get locked/scammer tagged unless it is deserved?

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Jan 4 2013 08:54pm
Scammers Yes, Locked No.

This would simply lead to more multis however.

This post was edited by Noobalator on Jan 4 2013 08:55pm
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Jan 4 2013 09:00pm
Quote (yodakon @ Jan 4 2013 09:33pm)
you are right about lack of thought, but maybe once they begin repaying they get their posting rights back. Also you are looking at this in 1 way, if the scammer is only able to view the topics and not be able to post but really wants to add his opinion it could also be more of an incentive to repay


How is your view any less 1sided? Rebellious' is acknowledging their right to redeem themselves. Hopefully you do know accidents can happen.
(I.e, you lose power during a trade, and you're accused and locked till you're able to provide reason & evidence to prove otherwise)

Quote (yodakon @ Jan 4 2013 09:33pm)
yes, 1 shoe does fit all. When do users get locked/scammer tagged unless it is deserved?


Or how about someone who feels their need for the money they spent on fg was more vital for IRL needs (family emergency, bills, etc) as opposed to purchasing FG - thus having to back out after making a purchase or donation
(getting locked in the process).
Real life problems do occur and you're just saying all of that is improbable which is absolutely false. Sure it'd be unwise to be unaware those matters can turn up anytime, but people make mistakes.

As hypothetical as these are, that's no reason to single out locked/scammed users because you fear of becoming a potential victim yourself or others.
They have every right to post as you do, especially if they're willing to atone for problems they may have caused.

Those with tremendous amounts of evidence against them and are infact guilty, and whom show no remorse and no intention to undo trouble they've caused, they can stay locked/tagged.
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Jan 4 2013 09:13pm
Quote (mXz @ Jan 5 2013 12:00am)
How is your view any less 1sided? Rebellious' is acknowledging their right to redeem themselves. Hopefully you do know accidents can happen.
(I.e, you lose power during a trade, and you're accused and locked till you're able to provide reason & evidence to prove otherwise)



Or how about someone who feels their need for the money they spent on fg was more vital for IRL needs (family emergency, bills, etc) as opposed to purchasing FG - thus having to back out after making a purchase or donation
(getting locked in the process).
Real life problems do occur and you're just saying all of that is improbable which is absolutely false. Sure it'd be unwise to be unaware those matters can turn up anytime, but people make mistakes.

As hypothetical as these are, that's no reason to single out locked/scammed users because you fear of becoming a potential victim yourself or others.
They have every right to post as you do, especially if they're willing to atone for problems they may have caused.

Those with tremendous amounts of evidence against them and are infact guilty, and whom show no remorse and no intention to undo trouble they've caused, they can stay locked/tagged.


people are never locked instantly, look in the s.a., it always takes a couple days unless the user scammed multiple people at once. They can redeem themselves in sections such as general help if they really want to "redeem" themselves.

they should of thought in advance about their real life problems before trying to virtually purchasing something and scamming njaguar.

Robbers in real life have all the right to live as I do as well, but once they're caught they lose those rights. Do you think these robbers should have little or no punishment?

e/ but if they show no remorse and dont mind staying locked, why should they post among those who they scammed and have the same rights as them? Obviously if they still post in the section and use the site regularly, taking away their gold rights and no pm access isn't enough. they need more of an incentive to repay, why not take away more of their rights?

This post was edited by yodakon on Jan 4 2013 09:15pm
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Jan 4 2013 09:20pm
This is close to the worse Site Suggestion I've yet seen posted.

Locked/Scammer Tagged users need to post in trading sections to repay their scams, if they intend to;
They have to be able to post everywhere in order to show they can have a nice, positive attitude to show they've changed;
To use the forums for its purpose.

You are currently saying that if a kid, for example, lies to his mother, she must take all of its toys, get him to sleep on the couch, etc: AKA punish him on every aspect possible because he did wrong once.

Ridiculous.
No need to say I voted no.

/Oh and, that would lead to having more multis on the site as well.
Great idea. -_____-'

This post was edited by Hylia on Jan 4 2013 09:21pm
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Jan 4 2013 09:27pm
Quote (Hylia @ Jan 5 2013 12:20am)
This is close to the worse Site Suggestion I've yet seen posted.

Locked/Scammer Tagged users need to post in trading sections to repay their scams, if they intend to;
They have to be able to post everywhere in order to show they can have a nice, positive attitude to show they've changed;
To use the forums for its purpose.

You are currently saying that if a kid, for example, lies to his mother, she must take all of its toys, get him to sleep on the couch, etc: AKA punish him on every aspect possible because he did wrong once.

Ridiculous.
No need to say I voted no.


it's nothing like that at all. People on this site are nto children, they are mostly teenagers,young adults and adults. They should of learned right from wrong.

I admit this wasn't thought through very well but I stick by it. If a user wants to repay a scam they contact a med via their repay thread. They say I have XX coins for xx fg, please make a topic saying this. The med makes the topic and when the med finds a buyer the buyer sends the fg to the med than the scammer gives the coins to the buyer and to prove the trade was done the scammer or buyer must provide a picture with a timestamp. If they want to show they have a positive attitude, why not post in general help where topics are made much more often and users want fast responses. Take away the forum they love to post in as more of an inventive to repay

e/ multi's are made all the time, taking away their posting rights won't increase new accounts. I know people who have tried to make multis and they would always get caught within 10 minutes and get banned. The multis that don't get caught are the ones who have their ip changed

This post was edited by yodakon on Jan 4 2013 09:29pm
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