you're taking it out of context, it has nothing to do with booting from the guild
its just whether the guild leader uses the entry fee for what he says he is going to or not
in the case we're discussing, very little fg from the entry fees went towards what was offered in the charter, and the majority went towards his personal ladder slasher gear and donor forum items



Normally, I'd agree wholeheartedly with this
but in the instance we're referencing, the leader is purposely recruiting members who are new to jsp and don't know better

I think he should be investigated individually then. There are way too many complications that can occur with a guild to institute any kind of official policy to try to get owners locked for not delivering "promises made by the guild."



Yeah, it's tough. It really is at a user's own risk, and being new isn't an excuse for not knowing what risks you're taking.
I mean if this guy is blatantly preying on new users to steal fg, then I'd think it could probably merit some kind of investigation.

This post was edited by mwm_zyxcba on Nov 20 2009 09:44pm

If any moderator was willing to, then we'd accept that.
But there is a slim chance that it will happen.
:/

They have guild logs if the guy was kick or if he left

Well his member list comprises of mainly 09s and recently active people, with the exception of one or two
People who join nowadays don't take the time to read the rules, so they really don't know the risks of guilds

Bump

No.... I dont think people should be bribed to join guilds, in addition, enforcing this is going to be difficult to prove

Im gonna say no because there are other variables you are not considering. Guild benefits aren't set in stone and are subject to change or interpretation at all times. Another example would be that some guild owners go afk and do not even control the guild, most of the co-owners do. So who is to be locked for this? All of them? I don't think so. Generally when you are joining a guild, you join it to become a member of that particular "society". You are representing a name. You don't join a guild for its benefits, you join it because of the people. Eh i could go on and on, i think you get the point.



Who gets to choose where guild fees can and can't be spent?


This post was edited by lilpsychokilla on Nov 22 2009 02:40am

Theoretically yes, but people often don't have the same genuine intentions, and join for the benefits that they receive (uber trist, rushes, etc).
Now we're not saying that if rushes and uber leveling isnt provided, the leader should be locked. I think that really it boils down to this specific instance where the guild leader was using forum gold to finance personal purchases instead of following through on his charter. This specific situation is what we're trying to get at, and not anything else. It's almost as if the guild leader is operating a ponzi scheme on a smaller scale, then using that forum gold to buy items in the donor forum.



Well it's one thing to say "I'm going to give you this and this and this when you pay 250fg for an entry fee", then get nothing in return and watch your fg finance ls items or donor forum trades. That's the ethics part to it, is that the leader deliberately gets new members (who don't know much about guilds) to make investments (entry fee) in it, then use their investment for personal purchases. Again, its a smaller ponzi scheme that promises returns (what's offered in the guild charter for an entry fee), takes advantage of lack of knowledge about the situation (new members), and uses their money for personal things. It all depends on the influx of new members to begin this cycle, we're proposing that it be made lockable so that this cycle can end. Being a victim of it, it isn't fun.

This post was edited by mw14000 on Nov 22 2009 02:48am

in that case it would be a scam anyway aslong as you can prove it (screenshots links etc) then they will most likely get locked anyway