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Apr 3 2012 06:39am
Heres my dilemma
I personally run a fairly well known level service on east ladder
Things have gone pretty well for me
(knock on wood)
But since ive noticed some people either getting screwed or screwing people over when doing or getting on account services
Ive been considering closing my services to the public
And just making it private for well known friends

The biggest problems ive noticed
Is people taking a customers gear/char names off the acc
And/or people taking fg for a service and never completing the service
We can fix the first problem easily imo
My suggestion is to have a new Help Category educating people how to prevent "on account" service scams
The services that allows the service provider to access the customer's account
This Help Category could help the customer and the service provider
Similar to these
http://forums.d2jsp.org/info.php?p=10
http://forums.d2jsp.org/info.php?p=52
The only help i could find for services was here
http://forums.d2jsp.org/info.php?p=6
and how to post s/a topics on service scams here lol
http://forums.d2jsp.org/info.php?p=13
we can find out how to post a s/a topic once scammed
but not how to prevent it?

Something could be typed out that would not only apply to level services
But almost any service that allows the service provider full access to the customers account
(c)(g)rushes, wps, skills, name xfers, etc



Heres some things the new section could include...

Customer responsibilities:
Services should be initiated in a service topic
Once service terms are agreed upon, if the provider is going to have full access to the account, the customer needs to prepare the account
A customer should never allow a service provider access to a un-registered account
(if on accident or on purpose, both parties could loose access to the account permanently)
A customer should always remove their gear before giving the service provider access to their account
Un-edited screen shots should be taken of the character select screen
And in channel/game screen shots to show what account the characters are on with time stamps
The customer should then change their pw to a different (yet still hard to guess) pw
Then give that acc/pw to the service provider via pm
Once the service is complete
And verified
Then the customer changes the pw back to his own personal password
Before he puts back on his gear

Service provider responsibilities:
Services should be initiated in a service topic
Once service terms are agreed upon, make sure the customer has prepared the account for you to have access to it
Make sure the customer did not leave anything of value on the account
Once you gain access to the account, take screen shots before the service is started, with time stamps
Then change the pw to your own pw
(to prevent the customer from disrupting the service)
Once complete, take screen shots proving you completed the service and proving it was on the customers char/acc
Change the pw back to the customers pw
When telling the customer their service is complete give them the acc/pw & save the outgoing pm





I always tell my customers to never leave any gear on their accounts
I make sure they verify in a pm that nothings on their accounts
Its simply too hard to prove what was on the account when the customer gave the service provider access to the account
And visa versa

Not to mention
How easy is it for a person to s/s a character select screen
Choose a character, s/s that character saying /whoami to prove its on that account
Go in a game s/s'ing & time stamping a bunch of leet items on that character
Take those items off
Then give the service provider access to the account
When the service provider finishes the job and expects payment
The customer can say, im not paying, and throw up a s/a topic
Claiming the service provider scammed these items from me
Heres the proof i have...

Its too easy
And its too easy for a service provider to use the same method when returning the account if items were left on the acc

We need to educate people that dont understand this
I am personally seriously considering closing my level service to the public
Just because of how easy it is for someone to claim i scammed them if they wanted to

Yes, we all know its easier to just use a med
And i would love to use a med for every single trade and service im involved in
But seriously, thats asking too much
Should the med then s/s all the items on the account too?
Let a med try to s/s a persons inventory with mass sc's
I doubt it
Its a lot easier, for everyone, if people just remove their items
And properly change passwords

The best way to not get scammed
Is to prevent yourself from being scammed
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Apr 4 2012 07:07am
Heres dixHard accusing Gahee of scamming his gear and char names
At leastt his gear could have been saved
If he took them off his account before allowing Gahee access to his account
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61676946&f=250




Quote (eekzie @ Apr 4 2012 08:25am)
People know what they are getting themselves into when they share account information. If not, they should.

Sharing account information is not supported by Blizzard. The user is at full responsibility to protect his account information.
When failing to abide by these guidelines it's inevitable that bad things happen. Thus people should be precarious about this.

That being said, if people do wish to continue with such malicious acts then they need proper information about it.
And guess what? It's right in every EULA (''End User License Agreement'' or ''Terms of Use'').
Also,the EULA is a ''take it or leave it'' type of agreement on which a user must commit himself to. There is no room for bargaining.

Subject to your agreement to and continuing compliance with the Terms of Use agreement, you may use the Service solely for your own non-commercial entertainment purposes by accessing it with a web browser or an authorized, unmodified Game client.
You may not use the Service for any other purpose, or using any other method.

So in my opinion, people should know that there are severe consequences they may suffer from when braking the ToS and that there is no need for further actions.


Blizzard does not support it
But jsp supports it
And allows users to provide the services
So they need to educate them on how to properly use the services

This post was edited by Pimpin_Nation on Apr 4 2012 07:34am
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Apr 4 2012 07:25am
People know what they are getting themselves into when they share account information. If not, they should.

Sharing account information is not supported by Blizzard. The user is at full responsibility to protect his account information.
When failing to abide by these guidelines it's inevitable that bad things happen. Thus people should be precarious about this.

That being said, if people do wish to continue with such malicious acts then they need proper information about it.
And guess what? It's right in every EULA (''End User License Agreement'' or ''Terms of Use'').
Also,the EULA is a ''take it or leave it'' type of agreement on which a user must commit himself to. There is no room for bargaining.

Subject to your agreement to and continuing compliance with the Terms of Use agreement, you may use the Service solely for your own non-commercial entertainment purposes by accessing it with a web browser or an authorized, unmodified Game client.
You may not use the Service for any other purpose, or using any other method.

So in my opinion, people should know that there are severe consequences they may suffer from when braking the ToS and that there is no need for further actions.
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Apr 4 2012 08:36am
voted no
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Apr 4 2012 12:05pm
no too much work
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Apr 5 2012 12:52pm
Heres Azn accusing Getright & Xsilky of scamming his items and killing off his hardcore char
Because Azn did not change his pw after the job was completed
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61734631&f=250&o=0
His geard could have been saved
And his characte would still be alive
If he properly changed his pw after the lvl job was confirmed completed
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Apr 7 2012 11:36am
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Apr 7 2012 11:37pm
1. Heres dixHard accusing Gahee of scamming his gear and char names
At leastt his gear could have been saved
If he took them off his account before allowing Gahee access to his account
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61676946&f=250


2. Heres Azn accusing Getright & Xsilky of scamming his items and killing off his hardcore char
Because Azn did not change his pw after the job was completed
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61734631&f=250&o=0
His geard could have been saved
And his characte would still be alive
If he properly changed his pw after the lvl job was confirmed completed


3. Heres Marcoux accusing Xtm4 of scamming his whole account during a level job
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61773945&f=250&o=0
He could have save his gear if he moved the items off before giving him access
And he could have shown proof what chars wee on his acc with s/s's

This post was edited by Pimpin_Nation on Apr 7 2012 11:37pm
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Apr 9 2012 12:34pm
1. Heres dixHard accusing Gahee of scamming his gear and char names
At leastt his gear could have been saved
If he took them off his account before allowing Gahee access to his account
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61676946&f=250


2. Heres Azn accusing Getright & Xsilky of scamming his items and killing off his hardcore char
Because Azn did not change his pw after the job was completed
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61734631&f=250&o=0
His geard could have been saved
And his characte would still be alive
If he properly changed his pw after the lvl job was confirmed completed


3. Heres Marcoux accusing Xtm4 of scamming his whole account during a level job
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61773945&f=250&o=0
He could have save his gear if he moved the items off before giving him access
And he could have shown proof what chars wee on his acc with s/s's


4. Evisc3ration accusing Ziggy42 of scamming his items after a level job wasnt finished
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61608198&f=250
All he had to tpdo was change his password back to his original passsword
And he would still have his gear
Once again, he wasnt properly informed how to use a service
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Apr 13 2012 09:38am
1. Heres dixHard accusing Gahee of scamming his gear and char names
At leastt his gear could have been saved
If he took them off his account before allowing Gahee access to his account
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61676946&f=250


2. Heres Azn accusing Getright & Xsilky of scamming his items and killing off his hardcore char
Because Azn did not change his pw after the job was completed
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61734631&f=250&o=0
His geard could have been saved
And his characte would still be alive
If he properly changed his pw after the lvl job was confirmed completed


3. Heres Marcoux accusing Xtm4 of scamming his whole account during a level job
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61773945&f=250&o=0
He could have save his gear if he moved the items off before giving him access
And he could have shown proof what chars wee on his acc with s/s's


4. Evisc3ration accusing Ziggy42 of scamming his items after a level job wasnt finished
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61608198&f=250
All he had to tpdo was change his password back to his original passsword
And he would still have his gear
Once again, he wasnt properly informed how to use a service


5. TuC accusing wigglnigwalrus of not completing his level jobs after he was payed
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=54220351&f=250
Its been a year without the issue being resolved
Because its too hard to prove one way or the other
Due to lack of evidence i.e. more s/s's and/or use of a med
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