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Oct 11 2015 08:38pm
why is both kinetic energy and potential energy of a spring

equal to

1/2 kx^2??


also what sign is used for the force of the spring, F = kx for spring stretching and shrinking?
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Oct 11 2015 10:22pm



also anyone know why the term i underline is negative?
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Oct 11 2015 10:31pm
Opposite of the direction you chose as positive..
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Oct 11 2015 10:33pm
Quote (FamilyGuyViewer @ Oct 11 2015 11:22pm)
http://i.imgur.com/kbfOXmM.png


also anyone know why the term i underline is negative?


but how can it be on the opposite direciton of the datum... the spring cant go below the datum
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i meant to set my datum where the horizontal line of 20 degree is, but it still doesnt change how it can be negative

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i meant to set my datum where the horizontal line of 20 degree is, but it still doesnt change how it can be negative


Because you're looking at compression. Since for part 2, x is representing additional compression, you're going to have to multiply by a negative x quantity.
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Quote (Pinecones @ Oct 12 2015 02:01am)
Because you're looking at compression. Since for part 2, x is representing additional compression, you're going to have to multiply by a negative x quantity.


hmm still dont really get it, how else can u represent x in this problem or is this the only way to represent it...

signs always confuse me when it comes to springs
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Oct 12 2015 12:49pm
Work =Froce *Displacement

common work against gravity is =mgh ,mg=force ,h=displacement

in a spring force= kx
intergal of (kx) dx
(1/2)kxx

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energy is energy when it's all expended/transfered

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the sign doesn't matter as long as you keep everything straight in your problem
it's either absorbing or releasing

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Quote (saber_x3 @ Oct 12 2015 01:49pm)
Work =Froce *Displacement

common work against gravity is =mgh ,mg=force ,h=displacement

in a spring force= kx
intergal of (kx) dx
(1/2)kxx

-----
energy is energy when it's all expended/transfered

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the sign doesn't matter as long as you keep everything straight in your problem
it's either absorbing or releasing


so the x in both Kinetic and Potential Energy is the same? which is the change in length?
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so the x in both Kinetic and Potential Energy is the same? which is the change in length?


A classical spring,mass-less, has no kinetic energy
it only has potential

but...kinetic and potential can be used interchangeably i guess
in the end, keep your track of your signs and everything will be ok. energy is energy

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