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Dec 21 2014 03:44am
Hi

Whilst playing ‘The smartest pupil’ the pupils are practising guided independent learning. The teacher is there in the classroom should there be a problem, but the point is that the pupils be able to do the entire quiz independently. The pupils are given a general explanation of how to play the game, then they can get started. They receive cards explaining how each separate round is played, the pupils have to keep track of their own scores and who’s turn it is.

to be or not to be?

The more I think about it the more I start doubting between "are" and "be".

This post was edited by Lod_kenneth on Dec 21 2014 03:56am
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Dec 21 2014 04:01am
The teacher is there in the classroom should there be a problem, but the point is that the pupils should be able to do the entire quiz independently.

Or but the point is that the pupils complete the quiz independently.

Just add should before be and it sounds right because you cannot be positive all students can complete the task but you expect they should be able to

The bold part sounds odd but is not grammatically incorrect
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Dec 21 2014 04:02am
Quote (brigadier @ Dec 21 2014 11:01am)
The teacher is there in the classroom should there be a problem, but the point is that the pupils should be able to do the entire quiz independently.

Or but the point is that the pupils complete the quiz independently.

Just add should before be and it sounds right because you cannot be positive all students can complete the task but you expect they should be able to

The bold part sounds odd but is not grammatically incorrect


Thank you very much! :)
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Dec 21 2014 04:09am
The teacher is present should there be a problem


The part you have is there in the classroom just gets me it's like you are specifying their location with there and furthering that specification with classroom when you can reduce the number of words by just placing the teacher in the classroom or saying they are present with the students
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Dec 21 2014 04:26am
Quote (brigadier @ Dec 21 2014 11:09am)
The teacher is present should there be a problem


The part you have is there in the classroom just gets me it's like you are specifying their location with there and furthering that specification with classroom when you can reduce the number of words by just placing the teacher in the classroom or saying they are present with the students


Well, thank you again!
Yeah I tend to make my sentences way too long when I start struggling with them, reducing the amount of words is in most cases the best idea then :)
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Dec 22 2014 03:34am
Quote (Lod_kenneth @ Dec 21 2014 02:44am)
to be or not to be?

The more I think about it the more I start doubting between "are" and "be".


The usage of 'be' here marks the subjunctive and is totally fine. It's also fairly common and perfectly idiomatic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_subjunctive#Forms

Quote (brigadier @ Dec 21 2014 03:01am)
but the point is that the pupils should be able to do the entire quiz independently.


This isn't a necessary change. It also doesn't convey the meaning very well.

Quote (Lod_kenneth @ Dec 21 2014 02:44am)
The teacher is there in the classroom should there be a problem.


This is awkward and unidiomatic. It's better as "The teacher is in the classroom should there be a problem." or "The teacher is there in the classroom in case of any problems."

Quote (Lod_kenneth @ Dec 21 2014 02:44am)
They receive cards explaining how each separate round is played, the pupils have to keep track of their own scores and who’s turn it is.


It should be 'whose', not 'who's'. And this is a comma splice. These are two independent clauses and must be joined with a semicolon or period if there is no conjunction.
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Dec 22 2014 05:18am
i would also drop the "explaining". it isn't wrong but it very close to the "explanation" you referred to in the previous sentence. I'd take a synonym like "clarifying"


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