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Nov 9 2014 10:48pm
lets say the function was (2x^2+6x)^3 .

and to integrate this , u would get..


(2x^2+6x)^4
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4(4x+6)

right?

u just add one to the power, and divide by the power times the derivative of whats inside the paranthesis?
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Nov 9 2014 10:51pm


what is your u in the u substitution? and more importantly, what is your du?

easy way to test it is to take the derivative of your answer and you should get the original expression back.

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Nov 10 2014 05:49am
Quote (FamilyGuyViewer @ Nov 10 2014 06:48am)
lets say the function was (2x^2+6x)^3 .

and to integrate this , u would get..


(2x^2+6x)^4
-----------
4(4x+6)

right?

u just add one to the power, and divide by the power times the derivative of whats inside the paranthesis?

It's not so simple. You want to integrate f(x)^3, it is not equal to f(x)^4/f '(x).
However you can write f(x) = x^3 * (2x+6)^3 and integrate by part 3 times. In this case g(x) = (2x+6)^3 is easy to integrate: int g(x) = 1/8*(2x+6)^4, and so on.
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Nov 10 2014 02:04pm
Would be far easier to just develop (2x^2+6x)^3 and then integrate term by term...
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Nov 12 2014 07:28am
Quote (HbSoe @ Nov 10 2014 06:49am)
It's not so simple. You want to integrate f(x)^3, it is not equal to f(x)^4/f '(x).
However you can write f(x) = x^3 * (2x+6)^3 and integrate by part 3 times. In this case g(x) = (2x+6)^3 is easy to integrate: int g(x) = 1/8*(2x+6)^4, and so on.



So when is the case where I can do f(x)^4/f '(x)? And how do u integrate this witout simplifying this expression?
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Nov 12 2014 11:16am
Quote (FamilyGuyViewer @ Nov 12 2014 08:28am)
So when is the case where I can do f(x)^4/f '(x)? And how do u integrate this witout simplifying this expression?


you're trying to use u substitution. that means for your u, you need du in there.

f(x) = (2x^2+6x)^3

u = 2x^2 + 6x
du = 4x + 6

g(u) = u^3

notice how you're not using du? you need g(u) = u^3 du

so if the original function was:
f(x) = (2x^2+6x)^3 * (4x+6)

it would be fine.

or if du = 1, thats the same thing.
eg:
f(x) = (x + 5)^5
u = (x + 5)
du = 1
g(u) = u^5 du

so you can do what you wanted.
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Nov 12 2014 08:42pm
Quote (carteblanche @ Nov 12 2014 12:16pm)
you're trying to use u substitution. that means for your u, you need du in there.

f(x) =  (2x^2+6x)^3

u = 2x^2 + 6x
du = 4x + 6

g(u) = u^3

notice how you're not using du? you need g(u) = u^3 du

so if the original function was:
f(x) = (2x^2+6x)^3 * (4x+6)

it would be fine.

or if du = 1, thats the same thing.
eg:
f(x) = (x + 5)^5
u = (x + 5)
du = 1
g(u) = u^5 du

so you can do what you wanted.


so this "f(x)^4/f '(x)" is basically u-du substituion?

so theres no other method of solving this kind of integration without expanding that expression ?
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Nov 12 2014 08:53pm
Quote (FamilyGuyViewer @ Nov 12 2014 08:42pm)
so this "f(x)^4/f '(x)" is basically u-du substituion?

so theres no other method of solving this kind of integration without expanding that expression ?


If you can't find a semi-okay way to do integration by parts, there isn't another way to integrate this by hand other than expansion.
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Nov 15 2014 03:31pm
Polynomial functions is easy to integrate term by term.
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