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Apr 20 2014 09:26pm
How do I do

13!
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(10-4)!4!

The part that confuses me is the (6!)4!
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Apr 20 2014 09:36pm
When in doubt, write out the terms for each factorial and cancel.


13*12*11*10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1
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(6*5*4*3*2*1)(4*3*2*1)

This might take a little extra time, but you can see exactly what cancels and what's left over. Hope this helps.
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Quote (PurpleOrange @ Apr 20 2014 11:26pm)
How do I do

    13!
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(10-4)!4!

The part that confuses me is the (6!)4!


what do you mean "do"? just leave it be.
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Apr 20 2014 09:39pm
Supposedly the equation is equal to 286, but I don't know how to come up with that number.
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Quote (PurpleOrange @ Apr 20 2014 11:39pm)
Supposedly the equation is equal to 286, but I don't know how to come up with that number.


are you thinking of combinations, 13 choose 10? or similarly 13 choose 3? that's equal to 286, but that's not what you wrote. yours is not equal to 286

13 choose 10 = 13!/((13-10)!10!)
13 choose 3 = 13!/((13-3)!3!)

which are both equal since:
n choose k = n choose (n-k)

This post was edited by carteblanche on Apr 20 2014 09:44pm
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are you thinking of combinations, 13 choose 10? or similarly 13 choose 3? that's equal to 286, but that's not what you wrote. yours is not equal to 286


Yes! How would I do that? :rolleyes:
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Quote (PurpleOrange @ Apr 20 2014 11:44pm)
Yes! How would I do that?  :rolleyes:


same way dude above showed you.

13!
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10!3!



13*12*11*10!
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10!3!

since 10 is very close to 13, simplification is very helpful. just cross out the 10! on each side

13 * 12 * 11
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3 * 2 * 1

more simplification since 3 * 2 are both factors of 12:

13 *2 * 11 = 286

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I appreciate the help guys, but it still isn't clicking in my mind :(
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Quote (PurpleOrange @ Apr 21 2014 12:06am)
I appreciate the help guys, but it still isn't clicking in my mind :(


which step are you not getting? keep in mind that factorial is just multiplication. are you familiar with the summation formula?



factorials are similar, the difference is that instead of adding you're multiplying. you can represent it with pi instead of sigma iirc



in much the same way that [sum of i, from i = 1 to n] = 1 + 2 + 3 + ... + n

n! is [product of i, from i = 1 to n] = 1 * 2 * 3 * ... * n

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Quote (PurpleOrange @ Apr 20 2014 07:26pm)
How do I do

    13!
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(10-4)!4!

The part that confuses me is the (6!)4!


if youre forced to simplify these by hand youll likely have to write it out first write it out fully:

13*12*11*10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1
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(4*3*2*1) (6*5*4*3*2*1)


you can see both the numerator and denominator have a few same numbers in common (the 1*2*3*3*4*5*6) and they both have the same operator so they will cancel to get:

13*12*11*10*9*8*7
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(4*3*2*1)

now simplify again 2*4=8 so you can cancel a 8 from both numerator and denominator to get:

13*12*11*10*9*7
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(3*1)

1*3 is just 3 so the 1 goes away to get :

13*12*11*10*9*7
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3

now you can divide the 9 by the 3 to get:

13*12*11*10*3*7

which is simple multiplication
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