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Mar 20 2014 10:15pm
Quote (brmv @ Mar 20 2014 06:26pm)
hope you are trolling, otherwise  :wallbash:  :bonk:


I need to find this constant that keeps changing :evil:

(inb4hubbleconstant :o )
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Mar 22 2014 05:30pm
nvm read question wrong

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Mar 22 2014 09:53pm
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So this is a problem on related rates:

The Great Pyramind of Gyza was built at a rate of about 350 metre/day. Assuming that this rate was constant throughout construction, and the pyramid was built from the ground up, how quickly was the height of the pyramid increasing 10 years after its construction began?

Any ideas? I'm totally stumped, this question requires google... for example the dimensions of the pyramid.


Re-read the question. A constant rate of 350 meters. Forget days and years. Assuming that this rate was constant through construction, aka - there is no change in rate, how fast were they building after 10 years had passed? They are still building at 350 meters a day from day 1 year 1 to day 1 year 10.

The answer is 350 meters. The rest is a bunch of crap* to confuse you. I'm not sure why they think teaching math and misleading word problems go hand in hand.

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Quote (NinjaSushi2 @ Mar 22 2014 08:53pm)
Re-read the question. A constant rate of 350 meters. Forget days and years. Assuming that this rate was constant through construction, aka -  there is no change in rate, how fast were they building after 10 years had passed? They are still building at 350 meters a day from day 1 year 1 to day 1 year 10.

The answer is 350 meters. The rest is a bunch of crap* to confuse you. I'm not sure why they think teaching math and misleading word problems go hand in hand.


the problem wants to know the rate of change of the height, not the volume...
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Mar 22 2014 11:42pm
But the rate of change is 350m per day. The change is constant at that. I am not sure where volume is coming into play as base isn't given. Also I find the problem funny. In three days they build 1Km. Lol

1,277.5 Kilometers after 10 years. Those Egyptians are good...
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Mar 22 2014 11:54pm
Hmm just realized I've been reading this wrong. I am way too tired. Derp moment.
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Mar 23 2014 03:28am
Quote (NinjaSushi2 @ Mar 22 2014 10:54pm)
Hmm just realized I've been reading this wrong. I am way too tired. Derp moment.


:evil: well it doesn't help the question is fucked from the start
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Mar 23 2014 08:07am
Problem is interesting, but only if you fix some missing datas :

shape of pyramid ? (triangle-base, square-base, side of the square)
final height ? (or : slope of the edge)

how does the construction go on ? (see Azrad's post #8)

We may assume :
- a constant 350 m^3 per day
- square-base pyramid
- side length 230 metres at the ground
- final height 146 metres
- construction goes on such as if an empty pyramid was filled with water.
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Mar 23 2014 09:48am
Quote (feanur @ Mar 23 2014 07:07am)

We may assume :
- a constant 350 m^3 per day
- square-base pyramid
- side length 230 metres at the ground
- final height 146 metres
- construction goes on such as if an empty pyramid was filled with water.



using feanur's assumptions:
this problem is a beast, and I won't be formatting a nice version or even solving but I can tell you the method that should work:

the shape we are interested in called a "truncated square pyramid" (a square pyramid with the top sliced off):


its volume is given by
V = (h/3)(a^2 + ab + b^2) = 350*t
take the derivitive of that with respect to time
looking at the picture and image it changing heights, you will realize a is constant with respect to time so treat it as such:

(dv/dt) = (1/3)*[(dh/dt)(a^2 + ab + b^2) + h(a{db/dt} + 2b{db/dt})]=350
we know what a is in feanur's assumptions, b and h you can get with a system of 2 equations: the volume equation above, and the equation for the triangle (below). (dh/dt) is the answer to the whole problem, but there is one stumbling block: (db/dt). We have to express b as a function of these other variables.

This is my attempt, I might have messed up, but even if I did, you need to make an argument more or less like this:


(a-b)/a = h/H

(db/dt) = -(a/H)*(dh/dt)

Substitute that back into the (dv/dt) equation replacing (db/dt) with -(a/H)*(dh/dt). Now with a lot of simplifying you will be able to collect all the (dh/dt) and put it on one side of the equation, and have a numeric value on the other side.

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Mar 23 2014 04:40pm
CORRECTION again, the building speed is cubic, i'm an idiot. our topic at the moment is related rates but this problem is supposed to be a challenge that my professor gave us as a weekly assignment
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