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Nov 12 2013 06:19pm
No casino game can be beaten mathematically unless you have an illegal unfair advantage. Every casino game is designed such that the casino always wins in the long term. The house always has the advantage.
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Nov 12 2013 06:23pm
You're much better off finding the right blackjack table to count cards at then playing games like roulette or craps.
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Nov 13 2013 03:07am
Quote (Azrad @ Nov 12 2013 07:21am)
excellent^^

also I'd like to add this to the entry on gamblers fallacy:
You can be ejected from a casino in Las Vegas at any time, for any reason (or no reason at all). So even if you had an extremely large bank roll, and could find a table that would accept these doubling bets more or less indefinitely; once you were under by a large amount, you would just be ejected from the casino and take a catastrophic loss.now... if you can find a wheel that has a defect....  :o


Quote (Azrad @ Nov 12 2013 02:56pm)
No I'm saying your plan is a fools errand, from a mathematical and common sense perspective.




my idea works as u stated ^^ if u doubled up continually , you would have to win eventually... so yes this idea works, the only thing that doesn't work is that the casino can I guess 'boot' anyone out they choose....

^^ this isn't even cheating , its playing the game till u win in a way.
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Nov 13 2013 03:18am
I'm pretty sure the only casino games that can be beaten are Black Jack with card counting, and your gonna get kicked out doing this if your playing for any kind of meaningful stakes. There are also a few video poker machines that can be beaten if you play thousands of hands correctly. I can't think of any other game in the casino, besides poker obv, that you can beat long term.

Gambling systems like you propose work to an extent but they break down pretty quickly on a semi-long losing streak. You will either run out of money, or you'll hit the max table stakes. Even if in theory you had unlimited funds and the table had no limits there is still the 0 and in many casinos 00. These are a net loss regardless of your betting system. Also, if you go to vegas and use this betting system they won't kick you out, quite the contrary. They'll be happy to have you there and will give you comps if your blowing thousands of dollars because they know your still going to lose.
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Nov 13 2013 03:44am
Quote (josh2234 @ 13 Nov 2013 09:07)
my idea works as u stated ^^ if u doubled up continually , you would have to win eventually... so yes this idea works, ...


how well does it work?
if you always double up, when you finally win your win will be equal to your initial bet

you know how old your idea is?
try to find out and then work out why only silly people consider using that system

btw, if you do not have horrendous amounts of money and find a no limits table you can quickly run out of steam
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Nov 13 2013 04:41am
Quote (josh2234 @ Nov 12 2013 03:10pm)
but if u were to bet then double up till you won, would this not work?


1) if you ever heard of differentials and integrals, you know how even infinitely small numbers can make a difference. so if you had ∞ money on the account AND was able to play without getting kicked out, there would still be a 1/∞ chance to lose everything. this is not zero, it just approaches zero. and it is the thing that makes your math flawed.

2) as feanur said, your gain would be shit at any given point.



basically roulette is already mathematically programmed, where the green areas drop the chance just a little below 50% for the player, making it a win for the house.
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Nov 13 2013 05:12am
Quote (josh2234 @ 13 Nov 2013 10:07)
my idea works as u stated ^^ if u doubled up continually , you would have to win eventually... so yes this idea works, the only thing that doesn't work is that the casino can I guess 'boot' anyone out they choose....

^^ this isn't even cheating , its playing the game till u win in a way.


I see you refuse to google the two terms i posted and educate yourself. Continue to live in denial, fine by me
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Nov 13 2013 07:50am
Quote (josh2234 @ Nov 13 2013 02:07am)
my idea works as u stated ^^ if u doubled up continually , you would have to win eventually...
yep, except you can't double up continually (for many different reasons), meaning you will eventually take a catastrophic loss. As others have pointed out, this is an ancient idea, that has blown up in many peoples faces over the years. And it will blow up in yours as well.

This post was edited by Azrad on Nov 13 2013 07:51am
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Nov 13 2013 07:56am
you cant double down because its not allowed and you dont have unlimited money

so no

edit: roulette has independent results (unlike blackjack), and the expected value of any bet is negative

edit 2 and yeah just google martingales if youre interested

This post was edited by madeinchinars on Nov 13 2013 07:59am
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Nov 13 2013 08:02am
pretty sure if you were ambitious enough, you could model it with an stochastic process - regardless of which, you dont have infinite money and at some point, im betting to say you wouldnt be willing to bet so much $

This post was edited by cialda on Nov 13 2013 08:05am
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