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Jan 26 2014 04:11pm
I've never really understood English (the classes). I can read well, speak well, but interpreting books
and literature is something I find difficult. I take things too literally to be able to get a deeper meaning
of something.

Anyone have any tips on getting through this semester with an A?

Also, The Scarlet Letter is hard as fuck.. I can't understand shit.

E: Just checked grades, already at an 80% within 4 weeks. YESSSS

This post was edited by drhong on Jan 26 2014 04:17pm
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Jan 26 2014 04:25pm
As you said, calling the class english is a misnomer. it's really literature. don't feel bad that you can't figure out how to answer non-plot questions. they're quite biased. the best way to give the teacher what he wants is to read someone else's interpretation and repeat it back to him. pay attention in class and take notes. and look at sites such as sparknotes.
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Jan 26 2014 05:58pm
Quote (carteblanche @ 26 Jan 2014 22:25)
As you said, calling the class english is a misnomer. it's really literature. don't feel bad that you can't figure out how to answer non-plot questions. they're quite biased. the best way to give the teacher what he wants is to read someone else's interpretation and repeat it back to him. pay attention in class and take notes. and look at sites such as sparknotes.


actually it would depend on the teacher, some like to have student come up with something they agree with but
personally i got an a+ once for providing two different interpretations of a poem
with the note by the teacher: i utterly disagree with your interpretations but they are excellently reasoned, a+
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Jan 26 2014 06:45pm
Quote (drhong @ Jan 26 2014 06:11pm)
I've never really understood English (the classes). I can read well, speak well, but interpreting books
and literature is something I find difficult. I take things too literally to be able to get a deeper meaning
of something.

Anyone have any tips on getting through this semester with an A?

Also, The Scarlet Letter is hard as fuck.. I can't understand shit.

E: Just checked grades, already at an 80% within 4 weeks. YESSSS


Try to remain conscious of the fact that the literature you're reading is contrived - nothing is included on accident.

Interpreting literature is a skill that improves with use.
Similar to how one learns to recognize the application of the distributive law in math without giving it a second thought, literary conventions can become second nature with practice.
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Jan 26 2014 07:43pm
Quote (MidnightRider @ Jan 26 2014 05:45pm)
Try to remain conscious of the fact that the literature you're reading is contrived - nothing is included on accident. 

Interpreting literature is a skill that improves with use.
Similar to how one learns to recognize the application of the distributive law in math without giving it a second thought, literary conventions can become second nature with practice.


So what are your tips on practicing it? Like you said, for math I would just do homework over and over.

Should I just use SparkNotes and other similar places over and over until it just kind of clicks?
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So what are your tips on practicing it? Like you said, for math I would just do homework over and over.

Should I just use SparkNotes and other similar places over and over until it just kind of clicks?


Reading will help, obviously :P
In fact, reading more literature will provide, in a sense, double returns: Not only will you receive practice recognizing literary conventions, you will also gain broader knowledge of literature, which in turn will facilitate an appreciation for elements relying on intertextuaity.

While you're reading, definitely try to pay attention to elements beyond simply plot.

Symbolism and meaning isn't always buried as deep as readers sometimes think.
Take Chillingworth, from the Scarlet Letter: Do you think his physical deformity is an accident? Knowing Chillingworth's character, what might deformity of the body represent on a deeper level?

Moving back to the math analogy: You're right, it's much easier to practice with math than with literature. Reading a book can be a hefty time investment.

My advice would be to analyze some your favorite movies. Many times, people who struggle interpreting literature fare better when applying similar processes to movies.
Think back to some of your favorite movies, movies where you don't need to expend mental energy on the characters or plot because you already know them well.

Similarly, try to identify archetypes you've become familiar with through exposure to movies.
If you can recognize archetypes in movies, you can do it in literature, and that is a huge step forward in interpreting literature. Whenever you come across an archetype, you should "feel" it. :D

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Jan 26 2014 08:39pm
It depends on your teacher. In my Honors class, it's very easy. We only use an anthology to look over short stories and interpret them.

You should read a lot of books. Preferably ones from different genres to see what techniques they use and as you read more, you will come to find something you like and things can flow more easily when you think about what's going on.

If you're also doing a lot of writing and stuff, there are some very good books you can read to see the different techniques they use.

e/ You should also read books that bring in more powerful styles of meaning, something that may be a large impact. Ex: Escape From Camp 14 instead of some stupid book like Fifty Shades of Grey that makes no sense.

This post was edited by Sefira on Jan 26 2014 08:41pm
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Jan 26 2014 10:03pm
Quote (MidnightRider @ Jan 26 2014 07:37pm)
Reading will help, obviously  :P   
In fact, reading more literature will provide, in a sense, double returns: Not only will you receive practice recognizing literary conventions, you will also gain broader knowledge of literature, which in turn will facilitate an appreciation for elements relying on intertextuaity. 

While you're reading, definitely try to pay attention to elements beyond simply plot. 

Symbolism and meaning isn't always buried as deep as readers sometimes think.
Take Chillingworth, from the Scarlet Letter: Do you think his physical deformity is an accident?  Knowing Chillingworth's character, what might deformity of the body represent on a deeper level? 

Moving back to the math analogy:  You're right, it's much easier to practice with math than with literature.  Reading a book can be a hefty time investment.

My advice would be to analyze some your favorite movies.  Many times, people who struggle interpreting literature fare better when applying similar processes to movies.
Think back to some of your favorite movies, movies where you don't need to expend mental energy on the characters or plot because you already know them well.

Similarly, try to identify archetypes you've become familiar with through exposure to movies. 
If you can recognize archetypes in movies, you can do it in literature, and that is a huge step forward in interpreting literature.  Whenever you come across an archetype, you should "feel" it.  :D


There's a good example of literature I can't interpret; I don't really know what his deformity might represent. He's an intelligent man,
so is it like a sacrifice for his knowledge?

And you're right, watching movies and thinking about it is sooo much easier. The Crucible movie was very similar to the book,
yet I understood it much better.

Quote (Sefira @ Jan 26 2014 07:39pm)
It depends on your teacher. In my Honors class, it's very easy. We only use an anthology to look over short stories and interpret them.

You should read a lot of books. Preferably ones from different genres to see what techniques they use and as you read more, you will come to find something you like and things can flow more easily when you think about what's going on.

If you're also doing a lot of writing and stuff, there are some very good books you can read to see the different techniques they use.

e/ You should also read books that bring in more powerful styles of meaning, something that may be a large impact. Ex: Escape From Camp 14 instead of some stupid book like Fifty Shades of Grey that makes no sense.


Haha yeah I've strayed away from dumb books. And we definitely do tons of reading. I think we have 12 books to read over
this semester, so that'll keep me busy for sure. 20-30 pages a night :(

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Quote (drhong @ Jan 27 2014 12:03am)
There's a good example of literature I can't interpret; I don't really know what his deformity might represent. He's an intelligent man,
so is it like a sacrifice for his knowledge?

And you're right, watching movies and thinking about it is sooo much easier. The Crucible movie was very similar to the book,
yet I understood it much better.



Haha yeah I've strayed away from dumb books. And we definitely do tons of reading. I think we have 12 books to read over
this semester, so that'll keep me busy for sure. 20-30 pages a night :(


Disclaimer: It has been a long times since I've read the Scarlet Letter!

I was actually going for something simpler: Chillingworth's physical deformity is representative of character deformity, or twisted morals.
At one point in the novel, something akin to the converse is stated:

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Wherever there is a heart and an intellect, the diseases of the physical frame are tinged with the peculiarities of these. In Arthur Dimmesdale, thought and imagination were so active, and sensibility so intense, that the bodily infirmity would be likely to have its groundwork there.


Again, it's been a long time since I've read the novel, but one might be able to tie-in Chillingworth's knowledge to his physical deformity. I believe the clearer reference to Chillingworth's knowledge, and perhaps the danger's of unchecked, ill-directed knowledge, lies in Chillingworth's name itself.

Movie example!
Think about Darth Vader - an iconic antagonistic.

If you know anything about Star Wars, you know the plot-based reason for why Darth Vader wears a black suit to sustain his bodily functions, but consider the thematic and symbolic implications.
How does a man who looks more machine than human, caged in a black suit, affect how you view his character. What sort of tone does it set? What about the Emperor's deformity?
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Jan 27 2014 05:31pm
Ok so we had to interpret Maya Angelou's "On The Pulse of Morning" today and I usually do
participate in class discussions but I did so more frequently today and I did pretty well!

I analyzed the surrounding text, used context clues, and kinda just thought more figuratively. I hope
this'll work for the rest of the semester, thanks for your help guys!
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