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Jun 8 2016 11:07am
Quote (rlebar @ Jun 8 2016 07:05am)
on that note, I don't really understand why he got cut after one loss where he won the 1st round and then got chopped down by leg kicks. His 2 ufc fights weren't even bad really.


i think he had better opportunities $$$ wise outside the ufc. dana probably couldn't pay him what he wanted. they should of had him fight james toney lmfao
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Jun 8 2016 11:40am
Quote (Majithor @ 8 Jun 2016 12:07)
i think he had better opportunities $$$ wise outside the ufc. dana probably couldn't pay him what he wanted. they should of had him fight james toney lmfao


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Probably because he was making a lot of money at the time and dana didn't think he was worth it? Its the only reason I can think of.


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Dana style - use someone and throw em out.

He brought the TUF numbers and Dana ''proved'' he was not ufc caliber.
Win win for that nazi.


You're all probably right. Although in his 2 UFC fights I don't think the sum of either of those fights proved he wasn't ufc material? I mean, he wasn't really... but he was improving a lot in a short time. He had barely been training in MMA at that point and went 1-1
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Quote (Boilermakers @ Jun 8 2016 01:51am)
You're right about certain parts but wrong about others. Anabolic steroids includes test-e, test-prop, test-c and other forms of test so yes test can be increased through AAS. AAS introduce an exogenous form of testosterone to the body or chemicals that bind and act similarly to testosterone. As for increasing natural testosterone levels, it is completely possible to do and there are supplements on the market today that do such things but it's a little amount that really would only be noticed in males with naturally low test levels. As for an average male taking a natural test booster you might notice increases in libido and aggression but they don't increase test enough to affect skeletal muscle mass. A side effect of majority of PH's/AAS is increased blood pressure and bad cholesterol levels (realize why a lot of guys recommend staying away from stimulants while on cycle). While most people would have little to no side effects running just 1 cycle properly, elite level athletes don't run just 1 cycle then drop the shit. Most people who have heart problems from them have pre existing heart conditions and are abusing them. Zyzz is a perfect example of that. AAS abuse+cocaine+ pre existing heart condition was a deadly cocktail for him.

TLDR: Roids can be bad for your cardiovascular system if abused :).




get the fuck out of here with that shit. Aldo has more skill in his left nut than that list combined.

Fedor's biggest win outside of a fixed organization was Brett Rogers the grocery bagger. He got smashed by Bigfoot who is a circus act, subbed by Werdum, and ktfo'd by a middleweight. If Fedor came to the UFC right now he'd struggle to remain in the top 10 in the biggest joke of a division in the sport.

He was entertaining to watch and dominant for his era but it was a circus act, don't compare him to fighters nowadays in terms of skill.

That's like comparing a 1950's runningback in the NFL to modern day runningbacks. While their accomplishments were impressive, there are high school level athletes beyond their skill today. Liddell is a legend, but even if he were in his prime right now he'd hardly be competitive in the LHW division. The sport is rapidly evolving and fighters and athletes are getting better and bett.


I said no steroids can increase your natural testosterone. You can only inject more. Which is true. Yes they can and do have side effects mainly due to abuse and misuse.

To be quite frank, you need not even bother with testosterone if you don't want too. There is a vast array of other anabolic hormones to use. Testosterone is usually run as a base and then you run whatever else your heart desires. Running 19-nor steroids without test are known to be boner killers. But I could pick back and forth all day about hormones because I have extensive knowledge of the subject. The e c p pp d numbers at the end of the steroid don't tell you what kind of steroid it is. That would be the ester attached to the hormone molecule and it's length. Propionate is short where as enanthate is long ester. Hormone names anabolic ones anyways usually end in -one. Like drostanolone, fluoxymesterone, testosterone, boldenone etc. This is not always true and corticosteroids I've noticed don't really have that rule. Prednisone, clobetasol, momentasone are examples of catabolic hormones with 4 steran rings.

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I said no steroids can increase your natural testosterone. You can only inject more. Which is true. Yes they can and do have side effects mainly due to abuse and misuse.

To be quite frank, you need not even bother with testosterone if you don't want too. There is a vast array of other anabolic hormones to use. Testosterone is usually run as a base and then you run whatever else your heart desires. Running 19-nor steroids without test are known to be boner killers. But I could pick back and forth all day about hormones because I have extensive knowledge of the subject. The e c p pp d numbers at the end of the steroid don't tell you what kind of steroid it is. That would be the ester attached to the hormone molecule and it's length. Propionate is short where as enanthate is long ester. Hormone names anabolic ones anyways usually end in -one. Like drostanolone, fluoxymesterone, testosterone, boldenone etc. This is not always true and corticosteroids I've noticed don't really have that rule. Prednisone, clobetasol, momentasone are examples of catabolic hormones with 4 steran rings.



I never argued any of those points I said there are AAS that pump synthetic test into you. also stated it is possible to increase free test naturally. You said no AAS can affect your cardiovascular system which is completely false. You are right though there are tons of roids way more potent than just test.

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Jun 8 2016 03:51pm
So sad :( poor kimbo
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I never argued any of those points I said there are AAS that pump synthetic test into you. also stated it is possible to increase free test naturally. You said no AAS can affect your cardiovascular system which is completely false. You are right though there are tons of roids way more potent than just test.


I didn't say that. I said they aren't bad for your cardiovascular system. I NEVER said they didn't affect them. Nor would I that is one of the benefits of using them. Specifcally boldenone has a profound effect on the kidneys ability to produce EPO. But, enough about what I did or didn't say. The hormones aren't the problem, misuse and abuse is the problem. Some people want moveable to workout hard, eat cheeseburgers, and stay big. They compensate the good diet part by using excessive amounts of things like trenbolone which can wreck your bad cholesterol. Especially with a steady diet of Mickey d's.
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I didn't say that. I said they aren't bad for your cardiovascular system. I NEVER said they didn't affect them. Nor would I that is one of the benefits of using them. Specifcally boldenone has a profound effect on the kidneys ability to produce EPO. But, enough about what I did or didn't say. The hormones aren't the problem, misuse and abuse is the problem. Some people want moveable to workout hard, eat cheeseburgers, and stay big. They compensate the good diet part by using excessive amounts of things like trenbolone which can wreck your bad cholesterol. Especially with a steady diet of Mickey d's.


Yeah I agree anything in excessive amounts is dangerous. Abuse is the problem but in the sports world the shit isn't taken just casually. as I said majority of people could run a single cycle and if ran properly would have little to no side effects but when it's one after another (or just riding year round) is when problems can occur if not careful.

Anyways PED's could have played some role in Kimbo's heart failure.

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Jun 8 2016 08:01pm
Quote (Boilermakers @ Jun 8 2016 09:00pm)
Yeah I agree anything in excessive amounts is dangerous. Abuse is the problem but in the sports world the shit isn't taken just casually. as I said majority of people could run a single cycle and if ran properly would have little to no side effects but when it's one after another (or just riding year round) is when problems can occur if not careful.

Anyways PED's could have played some role in Kimbo's heart failure.


u could safely say that they played some role IMO

also, black males are known for hypertrophic myocardiopathy, i wouldnt be surprised if thats why he needed a heart transplant

This post was edited by devilslayer on Jun 8 2016 08:03pm
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