it depends on the person

some men just can't inflict damage on others. octagon/street same-same

lmaoo

how did i know this would either turn into a conor convo or a gsp bashing convo?

in that basketball video at VERY end, both of them had a free leg to kick eachother in the face - jiu jitsu doesnt really account for things that arent legal in MMA

russell peters is dumb and that's some trying to be a superhero shit, he's lucky he didnt get stabbed

This post was edited by jadeoner on Sep 1 2020 10:01pm

well to be fair the fight was being broken up. and its not like kicking someone in the face at that distance wil do THAT much damage. cant rly generate much force. the point is it was a 1v1 situation where 1 guy was actually trying to hurt the other but was neutralized and beaten due to the other assholes jiujitsu.

and i disagree. there is sport jiujitsu and there is jiujitsu for self defense. Im not really a jiujitsu guy because i dont rly like grappling all that much but the gracie headquarters is down the street from my house. went there for like half a year and they actually do teach stuff that isnt legal in MMA. they always show both applications. Like Rener would show a move and say "this would only work in MMA" or "this is what youd do in a street situation". hed show one move and then a modified version of it. was actually pretty cool but just not for me.

and yea i agree russell is..meh..

one is in a gi (LOL btw, so fucking pointless/hilarious) and no-gi is usually mma based



love rener and ryron (just in case anyone thinks im 100% against jiu jitsu - i just hate people that are jockin mr. steroid/tikwando/i started smoking weed at 37 Joe Rogan waaaaaay too hard [and dont get me started about eddie bravo hahahahaha]) - they both have said they would run from street fights

also i never seen a jiujitsu video that accounts for a biting defense - what im trying to get at here is that jiu jitsu, more times than not, could put you in a very unfavorable situation in a street fight and i really think it would be in one's best interest to forego it, completely

edit: will also add gracie jiujitsu and 10th planet are both kinda culty

This post was edited by jadeoner on Sep 1 2020 11:03pm

the guys in the basketball court werent in a position to do that. also as i mentioned earlier, its different when BOTH people are trained.

and i wasnt talking about gi vs no gi. like he would actually show different versions of the same move for different scenarios. and yea i think gi is fking stupid too rofl

i dont rly have an opinion about joe rogan. guy is whatever. eddie bravo is a fking idiot lmaoo. but the fact that they said theyd run from street fight is meaningless imo. i think any smart person would think thats the best thing to do, like i mentioned earlier.

as far as biting goes, i think thats one of the lamest excuses against jiujitsu, or MMA in general. its usually said by the ppl that are super into kungfu stating "OH WELL ON THE STREETS I CAN EYE POKE + BITE" etc. but the truth is when ur getting strangled ur not going to even think about going for those things lol. bas rutten mentioned this about eye pokes and why they wont actually work when someones trying to choke u out. and also i actaully did see a video covering what to do if someone tries to bite. might try to find it later.

i dont actually think jitjitsu will get u in trouble more often than not. im not saying taking someone down should be ur first option. like i said from the beginning its very situational. if ur opponent has no ground game, its a very easy win kinda like 1 of the video i posted. guy takes other guy down. full mounts. elbows him to oblivion.

that being said, i would NEVER go for a takedown in a street fight. jiu jitsu, wrestling, forget both. but i do see that it can be applicable depending on the situation.

and yea 100% agree with u. it deff is culty. some ppl that train at the gracie down the street treat it like its ther fkn religion lmao. i remember back in high school when the UFC was starting to get more mainstream, i had friends who trained in jiujitsu and they would always praise the gracies like gods. when i showed them videos of sakuraba in japan beating the living shit out of gracies they were in denial LOL! (assuming those fights werent fixed that is)

watch again bro, that def could've happened. also white dude is lucky he didnt get slammed on his head/stomped on when he was going for the arm bar - see how even an advanced jitz guy is leaving himself open to a street novice? this is my main point of all this

white dude pulled guard and i think that is BEYOND retarded in this context. back up and box - i wouldve much rather had boxing skills than jitz if i were that white dude in that situation



lotta people with mike tyson-like psychotic tendancies (lemme taste your ear) look for street fights - i wouldnt want them ANYWHERE near me in any sort of jiujitsu-ranged position.

jiujitsu has the a lot more chance for shit to go wrong at such close distance - if i were to utilize one fighting style in a street fight it would be boxing

keep your distance, act like you dont want to fight, if dude is persistant, surprise him with a combo and be out as he's hitting the ground.


rudimentary boxing skills > anything in a street fight

edit: also will mention lots of homeless/street people have hep c/aids from dirty needles etc - im good on cuddling with them hahahaha

This post was edited by jadeoner on Sep 1 2020 11:59pm

but before that like the guy stated, he couldve torn the other guys knee out. its easy to say this when the guy is hesitant to ruing the other guys leg. if u watch again, the other guy actually did try to slam but failed. also we dont know how advances this guy is either. i mean..at best he seems to be around a blue belt.

its all just "shouldve, wouldve, couldve" the fact is the other guy was completely helpless against this random guy who probably trains jiujitsu as a hobby. and thats just ONE example. if u look at the other vid, its a completely one sided beatdown. of course i dont know how advances either of these ppl are in reality.

i mean they can be as psychotic as they want. fact is if they have no experience on the ground, none of ther biting "techniques" will work on an actual person who trains. its easy for someone to think "oh..if he does this ill just bite him or eye gouge him" until they are actually in a fight and everything is hectic.

https://youtu.be/Kd_oBd5DENk?t=379 bas rutten talksbout that here. timestamped it as well. like i said from the beginning, its just situational. jiujitsu can be pretty good or it can be terrible depending on the situation/surrounding in close distance.

and okay..glad u edited ur post cuz i was like WHAT!??? headkick? thats worse thatn jiujitsu lmao. i mean i prefer kickboxing as well (i mostly train in muay thai and boxing) but even then i would never go for a headkick in a street fight.

the best thing is to run honestly. if u cant run then like u said boxing/kickboxing. if u must fight, then jab/lowkick combo works realllly well imo. even ppl that train, a good low kick can really hurt them. on the streets where its against ur average joe, 2 kicks max is all it takes at full force. they might be able to absorb the first kick just due to pure adrenaline but the from the 2nd kick they will feel it full force.

boxing alone can be risky as well. unlike jiujitsu where if u have some experience while the other guy doesnt u can dominate, for boxing alone theres always that punchers chance. if u get within punching range and the guy starts swining randomly, he has a small but deff chance to hurt u or catch u offguard. id honestly stick with kickboxing. not high kicks tho for sure..

distract with lowkicks and then u can punch as u need.

ya sorry about all the edits (read my post again if u can)

my main point is black dude never would have had such openings (slamming on head, upkicking, etc) if dude didnt pull guard

using rudimentary boxing will have you much more safe than having rudimentary jitz - i believe it to be a fact that much more can go wrong at close distance and i think that's non-arguable (sorry if that comes off as snobbish)

edit: also your assailant can grab your dick too (on the ground)

This post was edited by jadeoner on Sep 2 2020 12:05am

i dunno man. in that vid the fight went that way cause the guy who trained in jiujitsu manipulated the other guy however he wants.

i mean if u want to see vids of jiujitsu working in a streetfight heres a whole compliation xD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpgg7mwxoLU

i think i probably agree that basic boxing might be better and its something that i honestly prefer as well! however, i dont know if its a fact for sure. seems more of an opinion. my only problem with boxing alone is like i said in previous post, u will MOST likely win vs a guy that has no boxing experience. BUT, theres always that punchers chance that a random person can catch u with.

jiu jitsu doenst have that. someone with basic jiujitsu vs some guy with no ground game, the guy with no experience almost has no chance of winning. muchh less than a boxer vs average joe.

e/ yea groin shots ARE a problem but thatd be for anything. if u try to box someone and they kick u when u get into punching range, ur fkd. so i think that can be said for any discipline lols xd

when it comes to street defense, i still prefer bas ruttens methos lmaoo



This post was edited by NitrogenPeroxide on Sep 2 2020 12:14am