We have more people and more fg transactions in that forum then any other subforum.

More people= more welches.
More welches= more meds.
More meds= more of a chance that med scams (happened once because he sold acc vs $)

Also, the list runners have been anything but lazy. They have to update the list on a daily basis.. it's hard work and people should appreciate it.
And I can pull your welch thread if you want special attention.. I don't mind.

If you wish to continue the discussion, pm me. No reason to spam this forum..

All i see are excuses and dodges now.
NOW its OK that the list has been full of corruption.. before it was "i dont know what im talking about"
however you want to justify it dude..

I was pointing out the FACT that there has been alot of bullshit and corruption there.
You decided to butt in and try to tell me what i did or didn't know..
Perhaps youd also like to pull up the part where I asked a "med" for help and he told me to send each of the other parties their fg back, which i did.
Or perhaps youd like to look through my old pms where i sent a ton to the list runner before he even pretended to look into it claiming he was "too lazy" and would look into it later. shortly after he stepped down from the position i believe..

No you'd rather bullshit your way in here and defend "your forum" of crooks and multis and pretend its always been peachy and tell other people what they know about the situation. Hypocrite..

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Jul 22 2011 10:54pm

I wont deny that the forum is full of crooks and multis. It's obvious.
Corruption? There has been accusations in the past, and they were dealt with accordingly.

You single out the poker forum as an example to the rest, which you shouldn't.. it's different than the others.
There has been drama in every other forum, and even with the jsp staff.
Noone is perfect, and so nothing man made is perfect. I don't know why you are so ignorant and cannot accept this.

And btw, pm me those pms you were talking about please. I would like to see them.

This post was edited by B_R_A_D on Jul 22 2011 10:54pm

grats

[QUOTE=Chill,22 Jul 2011 20:40]FACT: he knowingly welched another sports bettor out of 1000fg and continued to attempt to play games at a chance at winning more with the intentions of running if he lost. The proof provided to the poker list runner and mma section list runner was solid and resulted in his Dual welcher tags as you see.
therefore in order to force him to right his wrongs by paying his scam/welch back, no mediator should hold his dirty fg until he pays back..
the poker section shuns any and all types of welchers due to this same fact, which is pretty common sense
Rules are no different there then here, winner wins, loser loses.. a scams a scam unless proven innocent and he's been proven guilty
you and anyone attempting to protect said welchers are misguided and wrong.
(REMOVING SOME CONTENTS OF ORIGINAL POST DUE TO MY POST LENGTH BEING SHORTENEDED DUE TO WARN/QUOTE]

We can agree to disagree, and I welcome all discourse on the subject, all trolls aside.

Let me first add some retrospect on why he was added to welcher, and later moved to "welcher other"

Flicker was added to the welcher list because I flagged him directly to Lncarnaxim as I monitored the other scripts in addition to the S/A section of the forums. After I saw the discrepancy of evidence and frankly how poor the sports bettor list was ran it became my opinion that we should never accept their word, as the "word of god" for lack of a better term. We now use a new tag, which is unique to this sub-forum where we only alert the patrons of this forum that the user has welched in another sub-forum. We allow the end users to make up their own mind, instead of allowing the sole opinion of someone to ruin a reputation. I thoroughly enjoy our approach as I believe it allows our users to control their own forum gold, and who they bet with, instead of blatantly following the opinions of the other forum veterans. I can so far say, with confidence this approach has not encourage welching. We have yet to see a flock of people come here to intentional welch due to our lax rules, but there may be a few key notes of importance.

• We are by far one of the lowest traffic, and sparsely populated sub-forums due to the occurrence of MMA events on a fairly consistent once a month schedule.
• bets in this subforum are typically lower than others.
• Mediators are used on the majority of bets.

I felt it was important to provide a little background story and now to provide the real basis for my opinion.

I understand your argument that mediating forum gold for him in this sub-forum is "enabling" him to welch, by allowing him to partake in the community. I feel it would be a mediator's sole responsibility to protect our users BY mediating his transactions as opposed to disallowing him the service, and forcing him to go about on his own merits. I feel a mediator in this sub-forum has the responsibility of providing his/her service to allow safe betting. I feel that if we partake in favoritism to other sub-forums it really diminishes the rule of the mediator.

You can tell me I "protect and enable" welchers until you are blue in the face, but all I have done is provide a service to the community and put the power in the users to decide WHO they bet with.

I have allowed end users to say, yes I will, or no I will not bet with you based on X,Y,Z merit. I have only provided a safe method for them to act on their decision. By my definition I believe a mediator is only a neutral 3rd party, paying out bets to winners despite any other issue. I feel you are taking the issue beyond a neutral 3rd party, and really driving home an opinionated approach to mediating bets. I will actively do everything in my power to speak out against why I feel such opinionated mediating is a poor example to follow. - Adding more, length limited to warn %

(sorry for fucked up quote above, I cannot edit posts, and my post length is really nerfed)

I should also add in closing, you feel your model for mediating bets is "common sense" but, I would interject I don't feel the same, and I am actively willing to discuss openly any model, and how you feel it would benefit our community. I may be retired from mediating bets, but I won't let my 50% warn stop me from influencing how I see the role of a mediator evolve in this sub-forum.



My mistake, the machine I posted that from does not run the poker script, and he had previously said something about mediating poker fg.



Vouched.

Poker forum is a target since millions of forum gold are present.

I decided to play a gamble and send 10,000 forum gold to Flicker. If he is looking for an easy scam he can just take my forum gold.

Saturday, July 23, 2011 12:05:49 AM Sent -10,000 (43,252.77 -> 33,252.77) to Flicker69 (3,401.00 -> 13,401.00) Loan 10k
Saturday, July 23, 2011 12:07:43 AM Received 10,000 (33,271.77 -> 43,271.77) from Flicker69 (13,401.00 -> 3,401.00) back

I should add, I am not endorsing him for a trusted tag or anything by any means, this is beyond me. I will say however, I outright sent him 10,000 forum gold and PM'd him asking to send it back.

a gamble? i would never steal from u guys

I was being fairly cynical with the "gamble" if I felt you would not return the forum gold I never would have sent it.