Quote (ChowYunFat @ 14 Jun 2011 10:37)

Saw this bolded in another quote, and wanted to address this.

In a "real life" situation, it may or may not be advantageous to be on the ground.  You can't just make a blanket statement like that, and expect it to be applicable 100% of the time.

Would you wanna be rolling around on the ground in an alley littered with broken glass and discarded syringe needles?  No, but I make it a point not to regularly stroll through alleys littered with glass and needles.  =p

Would you want to tie up with someone on the ground while five of his buddies tap-dance on your head?  Of course not, but the bias I've seen from some traditional Martial Arts people is...  puzzling.  They seem to think that someone who studies BJJ or grappling will automatically tie up with the first person in a multiple-person scenario, and go to the ground.

I think we can all agree that, in a multiple-assailant scenario, being tied up prone on the ground while a bunch of other people can stomp on yer noggin is probably a bad idea.  I don't know why it is that so many people in the TMA community think that a person who studies BJJ or grappling of some sort would think it's a good idea, as if their training overrides common sense.

However, on a 1v1 situation, in an environment that is favorable to it, I've found that BJJ / grappling tools are EXTREMEMLY useful.  It's been my experience (from being on the receiving end!) that someone trained exclusively in striking is pretty well f?!ked when they get taken to the ground.

Being able to stand and strike is good in theory, but it's nice to have a Plan B, if Plan A goes south.

Quote (PRBJJ @ 14 Jun 2011 10:54)

I'd never pretend that my bjj is practical in a street fight with multiple assailants. You should run before fighting in any situation with more than one assailant anyways.

Quote (PRBJJ @ Jun 14 2011 04:26pm)

It's a discussion sub-forum and you were wrong. What did you think was going to happen?

Quote (FatZero @ Jun 14 2011 05:44pm)

Everyone apparently lives in terrible neighborhoods were people are beaten to death in ally fights by 5 armed assailants.

BJJ has been proving many times in a 1 vs 1 environment and will always continue to come out on top. Anyone saying otherwise is being ignorant to many things.

Quote (PRBJJ @ Jun 14 2011 07:06pm)

"what happens if you try to wing chun some guy down and he slides out a knife you dont notice, and you slam right into it because you were in such a hurry to wing chun your attacker?"

Strawman.

Quote (MrJoshua @ Jun 14 2011 11:09am)

I wouldnt try to wrestle a guy down with wing chun, I would crush his throat with Chun Choy and then move on to the next attacker.


or if he had the knife, I'd attempt to kick it out of his hand/kick his knee backwards while drawing his attacks upwards/ attempt to trap the knife and again follow with crushing blows to the throat.


I'd much rather be 3~5 feet back from a knife then pressed right up against it

havent you ever seen saving private ryan? :-P


also as for you calling me strawman i am guessing that is a cheap shot on my picture, which is 5 years old and I have developed very much core strength/body mass since then; so LoL

Quote (PRBJJ @ Jun 14 2011 07:10pm)

strawman argument is a logical fallacy that you're committing.


which was the point I was trying to make...

Quote (MrJoshua @ Jun 14 2011 12:57pm)

If I am only partially correct, I am still correct; If I am partially wrong, but partially correct, I am still correct.

I am still correct.


Also, I agree strongly with ChowYunFat that BJJ is extremely beneficial if you do end up on the ground, but your ultimate objective on the ground should be to get back up as fast as possible, which BJJ WILL definately help with also.




My grandfather was 700 miles away from his home visiting family in new hampshire and he was mugged by 5 people coming out of a liqour store asking for directions


it doesnt matter if its your neighborhood or not, people travel and it can happen.


for the record my gpa took all five of them down with a combination of elbows and chops to the throat. (he was active in the marine core for almost 15 years)


you should always be prepared for the worst IMO


what happens if you try to wrestle some guy down and he slides out a knife you dont notice, and you lay right down on top of it because you were in such a hurry to be "fast' to the ground?

Quote (theduds07 @ Jun 14 2011 07:11pm)

well the point you are missing is that your grandpa was TRAINED in probably all aspects of fighting. the point is, if you have strengths in certain fighting situations, you should use them. a skilled grappler or BJJ person would benefit from a fight being on the ground in a 1 on 1 situation. because thats what they train. if you have trained at boxing, standup is ur strength so try that.

i really dont see how being trained in BJJ and grappling doesnt make you a better fighter in those specific situations. it doesnt hurt to be trained in it, it can only be beneficial