wait........... Why would we be upset about healthcare? The affordable Care act may not be perfect, but it is at least a step in ANY direction.

The rights to my own body? I dont understand what you are trying to say.

And also you know way to much about Ali. Your facts are very on point, but there were still a very large amount of politics behind the NoI.

You just asked for something that's better in other countries--healthcare is one of them, there are 37 countries with better healthcare systems than the USA.

One of the big problems with American healthcare is actually unrelated to care though, it's basically a giant insurance scam. My girlfriend negotiated a $5000 hospital bill down to $700 and she is a shitty negotiator. This is common in America. If they can afford to give care for 15% of what they charge insurance companies... wtf?

Also, the guy I worked for for the last 5 years is American but he runs businesses in Canada. He didn't have health insurance so he came to Canada to get a few different medical procedures done because, even as a non-national, healthcare in Canada is MUCH cheaper than it is in the US. It doesn't take a genius to see that there is some fuckery afoot here.

The rights to your own body thing--prostitution is illegal in most of America, as is possession of narcotics for personal use. These things are not illegal in some countries.

Muhammad Ali got me into combat sports heh Also, a new Ali doc just got released, I'm excited tbh.



$20 on itunes

I was actually really excited to see this! I was never a big Ali guy. I mean I read his bio when I was real young and found some stuff interesting... But I was never a fan of the Showboater when I was young(Dad was a very humble man) and it made me always think a little differently about Ali.

And the healthcare thing is without a question a fucking scam! I cant believe the shit I see. It cost me 500 dollars to get my daughter an ultrasound WITH INSURANCE. The hospital said the have a discounted rate of 200 dollars to families with no insurance.... HOW?

The prostitution thing is a crock of shit, but its never been something to bother me. If they came out tomorrow and said masterbation is the same as murder I would probably freak out. But I agree that prostitution, drug use , seatbelts and shit like that is a worthless use of crime prevention and such, but they are very old laws that the whole world is just starting to fight recently.
It isnt really something to revolt over.

the legalization and decriminilization of certain drugs works in some countries, but that shit would not fucking work in the US. If all of a sudden using and possessing heroine, meth etc was legal, that would 100% not turn out for the better. Certain drugs like weed and stuff i can understand, but you can't point to certain countries (like the netherlands) and expect those same laws to work in the US, there are just way too many other factors to just say "hey it worked there, it has to work here". Prostitution thing i disagree with too, but it's just ingrained 'morally' unfortunately. I personally don't see that as rights of body thing, (that sounds more like an aborton argument) but whatever

This post was edited by theduds07 on Oct 14 2014 07:31am

I can see that, but at the same time I believe the people that would kill themselves with heroine would do it quickly. So it would be bad to start, but after a short period of idiots being idiots it would all level off.

I honestly dont see people that smoke a little pot or something switching to Heroine if it becomes illegal.


Meth is a different story. If you smoke that you deserve the slow and painful death that is to come.

Far too many shitbags in the US to make narcotics etc legal

Just look at every single major city, they are all collapsing because of the scum that lives there

And for anyone who thinks our healthcare system is a good one, shame on you, it's a disgrace

There has never been a single speck of evidence that suggests legalizing hard drugs creates more drug users.

Plus, the thing is you do not legalize drug dealing, you decriminalize drug use--which is not the same thing as making it completely legal. Instead of spending millions of dollars to imprison poor drug users, you spend a fraction of that to get them into rehabilitation programs and try to help them. Obviously drug dealers and smugglers should still be punished the same way they are today.

Putting a substance into your own body, no matter which way you spin it, should not be illegal in America.

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others." -Thomas Jefferson

The bottom line is jail does not stop people from using drugs, so what is the point of incarcerating drug users?

Money.

I think if those drugs were legal a lot more people would try them. I might have tried heroine or meth if it was legal and easy to buy when I was younger



Lol i get what you are saying by putting that quote in, but there are tons of other laws that don't adhere to that principle. Just cause a great american founding father said it, doesn't mean we should 100% adhere to it. I honestly do think there would be more hard drug users if it was legalized. anyone that was using illegally would still use, and some people might try it out of curiousity. I'm not saying it would be the downfall of the country, but if certain drugs were decriminalized I think it would be bad

This post was edited by theduds07 on Oct 14 2014 10:43am

You don't decriminalize selling drugs, because that is injurious to others, so drugs would not become any easier to buy.

You decriminalize drug use--which isn't to say that you completely allow anyone to use drugs. If you're caught possessing drugs you would be forced by court-order to attend some sort of rehabilitation program where you're given other options, where people show you that it's possible for you to live your life in a better way no matter how hard you've been held down before.

An indisputable fact is that rehabilitation programs have a FAR greater success rate than prison sentences for deterring continued drug use. Edit: and in most cases they are FAR less expensive.

I understand that you think that bad things would happen--but would they actually? When you study a complex problem you nearly always find that the answer is not so simple as you originally assumed. Heavier objects do not necessarily fall faster than lighter objects, the sun doesn't revolve around the earth, and making something illegal does not always stifle the human desire for that thing--just look at prohibition. All empirical evidence suggests that helping people instead of punishing them is the way to go if you want to decrease drug use.


I get that there are other laws that don't adhere to Jeffersonian liberty--but do any of those make sense either? By far the greatest thing about America is the ideal--if Americans stop fighting for that ideal, America stops being great and simply becomes comfortable. America isn't supposed to be an easier place to live, it's supposed to be a better place to live.

This post was edited by Shadowoffury on Oct 14 2014 11:20am