I dont give a single fuck about how he would feel if I called him Cassius. If my son came to me 10 years from now and said he legally changed his name I would still call him by his birth name. Fuck he could change gender and I would still call him by his name.

His birth name is Cassius Clay. Its the name his parent gave him, not his "slave owners" or white man as the NoI likes to pretend. We have these really cool things called Birth Certificates. You can write Literally any name on them. Last, first, middle or even 7 middle names.

So if your wife(let's assume you're both white) was kidnapped while she was pregnant and the kidnappers murdered her and wrote Ahmed Saifan Abasi on a piece of paper and called your son that that , and then he had children who were also slaves, who also had children who were slaves and etc. and all of these children were given muslim names followed by the surname Abasi... you don't think it would make sense for your progeny, when freed, to want to take the name of their ancestors back? They should just be forced to be the white christian Abasi's for eternity?

Clay was the name of the slavers who owned his ancestors, that is how many slaves were named, they were given the surname of their owners as a sign of whose property they were.


Either way it's his life and his name, why you feel the need to have a say in it is completely beyond my ability to understand.

I think we both know what you'd call him if you were in the same room with a young healthy Muhammad Ali

This post was edited by Shadowoffury on Oct 13 2014 01:13pm

He was Cassius Clay until he was like 25... so I probably would have called him Cassius Clay....

Now, I wasnt trying to insult his race or what black people have gone through throughout history in this country, but the Nation of Islam was not persecuted in anywhere near the same way blacks in general were.

His parents were not NoI and neither was he, until he had the money to further their agenda. So to say he switched his name because his previous name is a slavers name is a fucking joke. What did the Nation turn him into?


But to your first point, I would honestly hope by the time they were free they would take a name befitting of them and what they want their family to become. Not take the name of an entire nations holy leader and claim its the name he should have been born with.

His ancestors were very likely Muslims before being made slaves, most Africans were. They were not allowed to practice their religion and therefore it was lost over generations so OFCOURSE his parents weren't Muslims. That seems like persecution to me...

Muhammad is the most common name in the world, I think. If he was born a black muslim in Africa that's actually the most likely name he would have been given at birth, heh

When a Muslim names their son Muhammad it's the same as when a Catholic Mexican names their son Jesus or Miguel(which is based on Adam's name as an angel, Michael) or when a jew names their son Ethan or Abraham or Alexander. It's a sign of respect to their religion, it has nothing to do with, you know, my friend Alexander wasn't supposed to be the next Alexander the Great just because that's where his name came from... None of the Mexicans who name their kids Jesus think that their kid is going to be the next Jesus.

What did the nation of islam turn him into? Muhammad Ali is a very respectable man, he negotiated for the release of 15 American prisoners in Iraq during the gulf war, he's well-spoken, independently intelligent, successful, was the most famous man of his time and possibly still the most famous sportsman of all time, he gave up his career in his prime and went broke protesting a war that made no sense, etc. Muhammad Ali spoke up in a time when black people were expected to be quiet and humble.

I don't think the nation of Islam turned Ali into anything, but if it did than it wasn't all bad. What do you think it turned him into?

They turned him into their political puppet. Again, Im not saying he was a bad man, that what he did was terrible etc etc. But the Nation of Islam was the black version of the KKK. They preached violence was ok etc. Again, not every single memebr or leader etc
There is a reason he didnt stick around. And most of what you listed as his humanitarian accomplishments happened after the split.
e: used most, meant not most.


And to fix this.... If you have a response I will gladly post in another thread to keep this UFC News related. Didnt notice how out of hand we were getting.

This post was edited by Gangbang on Oct 13 2014 02:31pm

lol typical american, we would revolt we would do this and that and this and that but in the end you don't do shit.

None of these things are true... you're just making shit up

Elijah Muhammad preached against violence, in fact his followers were not allowed to carry weapons at all. Men like Malcolm X who were once part of the nation of Islam were exiled from it when they became violent.

"We are not going to take part in any violence whatsoever. We're not going to do anything other than what we are doing. That is trying to deliver the truth to our people and teach them that they are supposed to be Muslims, and that means they are supposed to be righteous people and that we have shed all things that pertain to wickedness.

We have stripped ourselves of harm to let you know that we are not people of violence. We don't intend to attack you. We have no idea or knowledge of anything like that coming in the future." -Elijah Muhammad


Muhammad Ali left only that denomination--and only because Elijah Muhammad died and the new leader WD Muhammad wanted them to be Sunni Muslims, which Ali did not agree with. There has been no split between Muhammad Ali and Islam.


In other UFC news: if you edit the contrast and other things in this picture enough you can see Honda's tits

Lol typical fagget. Throwing accusations out there like your country has ever done anything positive for the world.

Let me know what we have to be upset about in our country that is any better somewhere else in the world.

so you guys are so dumb that you can't even figure this out? damn...

healthcare? the rights to your own body? lmk if you'd like more

I love America btw, I'll probably live there for 6-8months/year for most of the rest of my life. Doesn't mean I have to think it's the greatest in every way though, that's one of the great things about it.