Pero lmao

Did Cormier actually say that?! I think Cormier is too small even at 205. He could get in shape and fight at 185 and destroy guys. I mean, he's a way, way better fighter than Ngannou and he has a giant, thick skull but I think Ngannou would be too big to take down and he would maul Cormier and KO him in the 1st rnd.

I don't think Overoids should fight again. I think he's into dangerous territory in terms of longevity and brain health. Before the Ngannou fight, I was kind of on the fence b/c maybe he'd suffered some KOs/TKOs but seemed healthy. But now? Fehhk no, he got cracked. That's a career ender for a fighter.

I know that Cormier is an elite wrestler but he had trouble taking John Jones down. It's hard to tell how good Ngannou's takedown defense is bc he hasn't been challenged in recent times and he has the thickest legs in MMA. I took down guys bigger than Ngannou in football and rugby but being able to take someone down doesn't mean much if a guy like Ngannou cracks you on the way in. One knee and Cormier is out. One uppercut and he's out. Ngannou could put him out with a solid jab.

You can disagree with me but there's no need to put me down. I've been following the UFC since it's inception. Ngannou is a very big boy and his shocking power presents a huge problem for his opponents. I could see Cain or DC taking him down, but I just don't think DC would get the job done. I think he'd get pulverized on the way in. I think the most similar opponent he ever fought was probably Rumble, but Ngannou has 50+ pounds on rumble on fight night--easily. I wouldn't be surprised if he could come in at 275.

Ruh roh

Taking down guys in football and rugby has nothing to do with taking down guys in mma.

I’m not putting you down, but when you make statements comparing the greatest fighter to ever step inside the ocagaton(with or without roids) to Francis, it makes me wonder.

Oh by the way, Jon jones is a juco national champion , he could’ve made an Olympic run in wrestling i could argue .

Luis took down Francis a couple times, and he’s just a brown belt with no former wrestling experience(aside from bjj of course)

What in the world do you think an Olympic level wrestler could do against Francis?

What I was saying about taking big guys down is that while I have no doubt in my mind that Cormier (or anyone in good shape over 150 pounds) could take Ngannou down, doing so is a lot harder than it appears. The issue is that no matter how talented someone is in wrestling or any other discipline, Francis Ngannou only needs a grazing shot to finish in spectacular fashion. You can think you have him set up and all he needs to do is let a knee go or sprawl and then explode into a hook or uppercut and what looked like an opportunity ends with a trip to the ER. The risk would make anyone sane cautious yet hesitation is a killer when Francis only needs a moment to end a fight.

Also, didn't Luis only take Ngannou down 1x, by catching a foot? He tried another, Ngannou sprawled, and then had Luis in some trouble. And then he caught him with an uppercut and ended it in the next round. Ngannou was fighting about 10-15 pounds below his current fight weight, he was two+ years less experienced than he is now, and Luis was 250+. I have trouble seeing how Cormier would beat Ngannou but if anyone at 205--ever--could do it, it's Cormier.

Who are you saying I was comparing Ngannou to? I didn't catch that. I think you meant John Jones. I think he was exceptionally skilled and he was one of the biggest and most athletic guys at 205 ever, but he cheated and I thought Silva, GSP, and Mighty Mouse are/were better overall fighters. I wasn't comparing them as fighters. I'm just saying that Cormier had trouble taking John Jones down when there were openings--some which were well-defended and some which just weren't taken. Cormier hesitated a few times, especially when Jones started finding success with his strikes.

Ngannou doesn't need to earn your respect by catching you a few times. Before you try to take him down, you are always calculating and hesitating, because you know that he's the hardest hitting fighter in UFC history. Could Cormier take him down? Of course, he could. I could, too. Maybe you could. But even as an elite wrestler, I think Cormier would hesitate. Even if he times a takedown, he could get caught or Ngannou could sprawl and turn things upside down in an instant. And that's what I think would happen.

That being said, and putting our disagreement aside, if Cormier fights Ngannou, I would be hyped as heck and I'd be rooting for DC all the way.

This post was edited by RewtheBrave on Dec 22 2017 10:03pm

Oh fuck off. Silva and Gsp go to sleep at night wishing they had the talent JON Jones has. There's nobody ever in the history of fighting who beat who jones beat and at the age he didn't it. Almost everyone at what that person did best.

you were comparing DC not being able to take down Jon Jones and if he couldnt take jon down, how would he take down francis.. you cant do that, because jon is an elite wrestler who couldve went to any D1 school and at least been an all american, instead he went juco then straight to mma

i think all this punching power is also hyped up by the ufc machine, yeah he hits hard, every dude that weighs 260 will hit hard. " he broke the world record!" who else did they have punch the damn thing? francis is fun to watch, but slightly overhyped, either way, we will find out soon

Steroids. And Jones is more of a physical talent than Silva or GSP, who were both great physical talents. If by talent you mean physical talent + steroids, OK, Jones is the #1 guy. If you're talking about skill, I don't have him at #1.



I was mostly suggesting that DC hesitates in some situations (even if he's mostly a bulldog), not that Ngannou has amazing takedown defense. I'm with you in thinking that Jones is a much, much better wrestler than Ngannou. I just don't think Cormier's skills will translate into takedowns against Ngannou because he poses such a crazy threat. Ngannou's power may be overhyped but he's the hardest hitter in the UFC-probably ever. He doesn't need to connect at full power or clean to KO most fighters.

What I think is interesting is that DC is a giant-skulled guy and he should be able to absorb damage better than most fighters. So I'm not convinced that Ngannou's glancing shots could put him in trouble to a point where he couldn't recover. But I get the feeling that with his reach and power, Ngannou can and would force a connection and end things early.