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Oct 29 2021 01:54pm
Why did I read this all?

Anyways I vote for beefy. Netket hold this L.
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Why did I read this all?

Anyways I vote for beefy. Netket hold this L.


thanks for chiming in, your opinion definitely matters a lot to me
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Incorrect, nobody is using third party tools or methods to modify the game's behaviour in any way. Please read the ToS carefully so you will have a better understanding of what you are talking about.

Your stance is clearly undefendable, why dont you just take the L and move along?


Read the part you bolded, man. This is just sad:

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methods not expressly authorized by Blizzard (whether accomplished using hardware, software, a combination thereof, or otherwise), influencing and/or facilitating gameplay


TCPView is software that is used to influence and/or facilitate gameplay by allowing a player to know whether or not they're in hot lobby, and therefore get a DClone spawn.

Without using this unauthorized software, they would NOT be able to know this information.

On top of this, taking part in a coordinated DDOSing of Blizzard's servers is most certainly against TOS.

I know you're trying to copy/paste things similar to what I've said, but you're really grasping at straws now.

Blizzard has turned a blind eye to DClone hunting this since it's release in 2003, since it's one of the only feasible ways for many people to get an Anni, but they do this for many different kinds of TOS violations.

It's their own fault that the players have to resort to these tactics in order to access content in their game.

Also, if what XRP is doing is against TOS, it's on Blizzard to make the decision whether or not he will be punished for it.

Not you; a person who is a direct competitor to him and has a financial motive to see him fail.

This post was edited by Mcbeefy on Oct 29 2021 02:05pm
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Read the part you bolded, man. This is just sad:



TCPView is software that is used to influence and/or facilitate gameplay by allowing a player to know whether or not they're in hot lobby, and therefore get a DClone spawn.

Without using this unauthorized software, they would NOT be able to know this information.

On top of this, taking part in a coordinated DDOSing of Blizzard's servers is most certainly against TOS.

I know you're trying to copy/paste things similar to what I've said, but this is just sad.

Blizzard has turned a blind eye to DClone hunting this since it's release in 2003, since it's one of the only feasible ways for many people to get an Anni, but they do this for many different kinds of TOS violations.

It's their own fault that the players have to resort to these tactics in order to access content in their game.

Also, if what XRP is doing is against TOS, it's on Blizzard to make the decision whether or not he will be punished for it.

Not you; a person who is a direct competitor to him and has a financial motive to see him fail.


No. You are just trying to create a false equivalency in a last attempt to defend your argument when you already know you lost.

Neither creating games, or checking the IP address of the server that you are on is against ToS no matter how hard you are trying to twist things. You are being extremely disingenuous.

You are making things up about "blizzard turning a blind eye", when in fact they have created and facilitated said system.

Unfortunately I do not have xrp or his accomplices' account information, but if you do it would be better to hand it over and I will be reporting them myself to hacks@blizzard.com because they are clearly breaking ToS. I am not judging anything, I am stating clear facts about rules being broken. This is not up for discussion, this is a FACT.

Please stop being disingenuous, accept that you lost and move on.

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No. You are just trying to create a false equivalency in a last attempt to defend your argument when you already know you lost.

Neither creating games, or checking the IP address of the server that you are on is against ToS no matter how hard you are trying to twist things. You are being extremely disingenuous.

You are making things up about "blizzard turning a blind eye", when in fact they have created and facilitated said system.

Unfortunately I do not have xrp or his accomplices' account information, but if you do it would be better to hand it over and I will be reporting them myself to hacks@blizzard.com because they are clearly breaking ToS. I am not judging anything, I am stating clear facts about rules being broken. This is not up for discussion, this is a FACT.

Please stop being disingenuous, accept that you lost and move on.


Weren't you the one gloating about how you were going to reverse-engineer his system so that everyone could use a similar setup and ruin XRP's "business model?"

Also, I don't know if he's breaking TOS personally. He might have a team working to locate and secure the hot lobbies for all I know.
This would be just as TOS-breaking as any other DClone hunting host, and I'm not about to report those guys for what they do.

Again, you're just making assumptions about everything and everyone here in an attempt to discredit your competitor.

Everyone can see what you're doing, and changing your approach while still arguing in bad faith isn't going to make you look any better.

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Weren't you the one gloating about how you were going to reverse-engineer his system so that everyone could use a similar setup and ruin XRP's "business model?"

Also, I don't know if he's breaking TOS personally. He might have a team working to locate and secure the hot lobbies for all I know.
This would be just as TOS-breaking as any other DClone hunting host, and I'm not about to report those guys for what they do.

Again, you're just making assumptions about everything and everyone here in an attempt to discredit your competitor.

Everyone can see what you're doing, and changing your approach while still arguing in bad faith isn't going to make you look any better.


You are just making assumptions about my motives.

He is breaking the ToS, he admitted it before that he knows of a method to "force an IP address" which obviously falls under the category cheats. Although everyone who knows networking will tell you that you cannot force the load balancer to give you a certain IP so he is obviously lying. Which either means he wants to lead people on about his real method, or he is hiding even worse ToS breaking scripts that he is using to secure the games. Otherwise he would just admit he has a team.

Please stop trying to muddy the waters because that is what you are doing. The facts are out and it's clear as day what is happening. You are losing the argument so now you are trying to move the goalpost and argue that "nothing can be known for certain". Yes, it can be known and it IS known.

You are supporting a cheater for personal gain, and that is undefendable.


e: And no, reading the NIC of your computer does not break ToS. It does not interact with the game in any way. Creating games can also not be against the ToS. Stop trying to argue this, it makes no sense.

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Weren't you the one gloating about how you were going to reverse-engineer his system so that everyone could use a similar setup and ruin XRP's "business model?"

Also, I don't know if he's breaking TOS personally. He might have a team working to locate and secure the hot lobbies for all I know.
This would be just as TOS-breaking as any other DClone hunting host, and I'm not about to report those guys for what they do.

Again, you're just making assumptions about everything and everyone here in an attempt to discredit your competitor.

Everyone can see what you're doing, and changing your approach while still arguing in bad faith isn't going to make you look any better.


Also, you do not know what DDOS-ing is. 60 ppl creating games every minute when according to blizzard there are at least a hundred thousand people online on each region creating thousands of games each minute does not fall under the category of DDOS. Please stop making a fool of yourself. I know you are desperately trying to weasel yourself out of this lost argument, but it's better if you give up, there is no way out for you.
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Oct 29 2021 02:38pm
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Also, you do not know what DDOS-ing is. 60 ppl creating games every minute when according to blizzard there are at least a hundred thousand people online on each region creating thousands of games each minute does not fall under the category of DDOS. Please stop making a fool of yourself. I know you are desperately trying to weasel yourself out of this lost argument, but it's better if you give up, there is no way out for you.


LOL.
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Quote (netket @ Oct 29 2021 01:25pm)
You are just making assumptions about my motives.


Self report in this very thread. You're here to sabotage a competitor, and you've said so many times here. (And those posts are too old to edit now, sorry)

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actually a way better approach rather than cloud automation to get many games on an ip is to just reverse the handshake to bnet and then send the create game packet. the response would actually have the gamename and the ip address

extremely simple to automate even from 1 pc, all you need is a list of accounts

i will probably start working on this tomorrow and when I have it I will release the source code for you guys. I will keep you updated in this thread and might make my own discord channel as well

probably will also contact large rmt shops and let them have the source code for free

he really thought he will profit from this alone lmao

if anyone wants to collaborate let me know in pm and we can get this done faster. what you need is networking and (some) coding knowledge that is all



he is disrupting it by abusing the process

he is going to a fishing pond with a rocket launcher while we all try to fish with a fishing rod. you are extremely gullible my friend


Yeah, your motives aren't clear whatsoever. /s

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He is breaking the ToS, he admitted it before that he knows of a method to "force an IP address" which obviously falls under the category cheats. Although everyone who knows networking will tell you that you cannot force the load balancer to give you a certain IP so he is obviously lying. Which either means he wants to lead people on about his real method, or he is hiding even worse ToS breaking scripts that he is using to secure the games. Otherwise he would just admit he has a team.

Please stop trying to muddy the waters because that is what you are doing. The facts are out and it's clear as day what is happening. You are losing the argument so now you are trying to move the goalpost and argue that "nothing can be known for certain". Yes, it can be known and it IS known.

You are supporting a cheater for personal gain, and that is undefendable.


e: And no, reading the NIC of your computer does not break ToS. It does not interact with the game in any way. Creating games can also not be against the ToS. Stop trying to argue this, it makes no sense.


I get that you're trying to use an appeal to your own authority here, but that won't work on me.

"Forcing" an IP could refer to a number of things, including manually brute-forcing with a simple IP filter.

In the end, you're just making a huge reach here and pretending it's a fact.

Again, because you have a financial steak in watching this 100% safe methodology fail at the expense of us, the consumers.

You don't give two shits if someone breaks Blizzard's TOS because YOU YOURSELF are an RMTer attempting to grift for a community of RMTers.

It's laughable, man.
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Also, you do not know what DDOS-ing is. 60 ppl creating games every minute when according to blizzard there are at least a hundred thousand people online on each region creating thousands of games each minute does not fall under the category of DDOS. Please stop making a fool of yourself. I know you are desperately trying to weasel yourself out of this lost argument, but it's better if you give up, there is no way out for you.


The situation changes when you have everyone using IP filters and filling a single IP with as many people as you can cram into it.

No, it isn't conventional DDOSing that targets the entirety of a server, but if you don't think this has adverse effects for those playing on a hot server, you know less about networking than you lead on.

Especially when you consider how shitty Blizz's netcode and servers really are.
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