Quote (Neutral @ Dec 24 2010 09:26pm)

Why would you say SC2 dwarfed reach?

NOTHING can touch SC/SC2 in long term competitiveness, that's like saying China's population dwarfs the U.S, we all already knew it happened and was going to happen.

edit: also, the link between Chinese population and SC player count, forgot that.

Quote (Panic_Fails_at_Diablo @ 25 Dec 2010 04:01)

I say SC2 dwarfs Reach because it does. In the limited experience I've had with SC2, I can say, without a doubt, that it takes more skill than Reach, and you seem to agree with me.

Quote (Neutral @ Dec 24 2010 10:13pm)

Yeah but that's like saying Russia dwarfs a pea, don't bring Chinese click fests into this all American FPS discussion

and you missed the pun

Quote (Panic_Fails_at_Diablo @ Dec 24 2010 08:23pm)

I wasn't actually around for the H3 patch, so I was just going off what I've heard from people a year after the fact.

It isn't hard to adapt to Reach, it's not THAT different from any other game, but again, it doesn't make the game good. As soon as a game comes out that dwarfs Reach's competitiveness(Which has already happened: SC2), they'll abandon Reach as the flagship game and move on to something better. It would be a different story if people actually enjoyed Reach, but so many people, competitive and non-competitive players both, hate the game, so they obviously aren't going to watch/participate in MLG events. I'm sure I've already said this, but the only reason Halo 3 stayed the flagship game for so long was the large amount of people it brought to MLG. 

I don't know about recently, but a month or two after Reach came out, when I was active in the MLG community, the vast majority of pros hated the game. The most prominent example is Enable, who said something along the lines of "The game fucking sucks." Even the pros who didn't want to bash MLG's new flagship game had masked critiques.

Quote (Sasori @ Dec 25 2010 02:27am)

i think your missing the point that shmazoo is a actual pro of which you speak

and thus would know infinitely more about such matters than I X Panic X Irandofaggot

Quote (Panic_Fails_at_Diablo @ Dec 25 2010 01:44am)

Don't think being a pro makes you smart, which is obvious from his posts. Also, I've never heard of him, so he hasn't been considered pro in 3+ years. That, or your definition of pro is a bit skewed.

Quote (Sasori @ Dec 25 2010 07:07pm)

yeah because it pretty much defeats your entire arguement

Quote (Panic_Fails_at_Diablo @ Dec 25 2010 06:11pm)

How does this defeat my argument? I already said being pro doesn't mean you know anything. And regardless, Virtuosity was pro for how long? Robbie B was the only reason they placed that well.