"Kick me out already or I'm just going to leave" first sentence in his little post. Doesn't matter he asked for it.

Holy shit, I just read this whole thread and felt my blood pressure rising each time he made an assertion. But as a 15-minute rebuttal on a few of the points he tried to make:

So you knew 10 military personnel who happened to love raping girls:
1. Why didn't you, I dunno, tell the authorities if you KNEW who was guilty? Sounds made up.
2. I'm not normally one to stereotype, but there is some truth to be had in a lot of stereotypes. Given your physical appearance, I'd guess you're not exactly in the rule-following, well-educated crowd, are you? You mentioned your friend, someone you knew, and your brother's friend. These people were probably also in that drug-riddled, "break-the-rules-because-it's-cool" crowd if they were your friends? Basically, these were people that were statistically more likely to break the law anyway? Skewed sample by any argument.

Killing "500 civilians to kill 1 towel-head":
1. Honestly? Can't even take you seriously with this one, but I'll humor you.
2. There's no chance in hell anybody growing up in the USA would follow an order like that. One of the nice things about this country is we value human life. Even, you know, wasted ones like yours.
3. I'm personally working on the development some of the equipment that the military will be using. If there's ANY chance of unnecessary inaccuracy, or otherwise lack of control over how the weapon works, it isn't released. I know, because it's a pain in the ass to me and my co-workers but the military WON'T BUDGE on that point.
4. Statistics were posted. In any argument, if you're the one making the assertion, the burden of proof is on you. But you don't, nor do you even acknowledge the information that WAS posted.

You say the US wasted so much money on this war:
1. You complain about how Bush got elected. I'm going to go ahead and assume you're a Democrat? What about the Obama programs? What tangible rewards have we had from that money? Other than the fact that he single-handedly caused more US debt than any other president?
2. The war is freeing a people from oppression and giving them the chance to live life with some basic amenities. You call it worthless, I'd like to see you go a month without electricity or running water. You're welcome to go try it out and let us know how it went. Then you can decide whether to accept the improvements or if it's really not that big of a deal.

So please, even if you won't acknowledge that your opinions are naive and invalid, at least bear in mind that you live in a country that tolerates such stupidity. You have that freedom because of these men and women in uniform, and your utter ingratitude is so selfish and wrong that it irks me you're still allowed to be called an American. But that's your right, protected by those you are so quick to condemn. I honestly hope you one day gain an appreciation for someone other than yourself.

Figured I should post to be included in this thread.

Thank you, you pretty much said what I wanted too, but was doing shit so I couldn't.

Agreed

He posted here and asked to play, I told him my GT and he never added.



e; holy shit, mw2 is so fun. ima play some moar!

This post was edited by Jefferya on Jul 10 2010 02:46am

lolz.

Didn't read all of this, but both of ya'll just need to hug it out and get drunk together.

Loadstone for president!

The phrase is actually, "I really couldn't care less." That's because if you could really care less then you care in the first place, which means you are pretty emotionally attached to this whole discussion that I didn't read.

lol

I love when i slam people who attempt to team up on me, enjoy the read and try not to slit before finishing at least i know getting slammed sucks but you will make it out ok.

Thanks for slam was gd, enjoy the read folks.




I was referring to the signing bonus then again a smart gentleman such as yourself wouldn't have thought about the obvious fucking answer now would he? So i said that we have indeed bombed villages with hundreds of people to kill as few as one person this means that 500 civilians are killed per terrorist according to you? I just love the logic you people use, you take what i say out of context and turn it around as if I was ever at any point pushing that as a fact. Awww and back to the personal attacks you go, how cute it is seeing you infuriated by one such as myself. Once again to clarify for the people who clearly can not read i posted a couple of examples of people I've known very well who have joined the military good people and come out complete douche bags. I've met tons of military personal and all of them have seemed to be overly pompous imbeciles with a god complex. Now I'm not saying everyone in the military is like this but i assure a large number of the military are. Also I'm going off personal testimony from the few people I've known who have come out of the military with their morals some how in tact. The general consensus has been the same with everyone I've spoken with, most military personal are just bad people. To the point that you wouldn't have enough respect for them to walk across the street and piss on their heads if they were on fire. But oh no they have fancy uniforms and they've done some extensive training in being mindless drones who shoot and die when they are told to. Yeah i had pink hair like 5 years ago, i think that might be the closest thing to a fact any of you have said so far. Kudos to you sir.



Oh yes i ran away because he posted statistics about the casualties in the war we are discussing. This without a reasonable doubt proves me wrong, seeing as i was comparing the civilian / enemy death rate of this war to other wars. Once again though posting stats on just this war has proven my theory completely flawed. Oh yes i lack second grade spelling comprehension because i don't bother to use the proper usage of yours, always love when you deviate from failing at debating to personal attacks to failing at debating to more personal attacks ohh wait here comes the part when you try putting words in my mouth to make yourself look right.

What would you consider credible? The fact that it's just me against you and a couple of your butt buddies makes me less credible? Or is it that you had one person post statistics for civilian casualties on this war and only this war? Or is it that you have no grounds for actually debating with me since your still stuck in fucking dream land blindly and falsely believing the military has done more good then harm in the past ten years? Please I would really like to c all the amazing credible information you've been throwing around, seeing as it appears to be non existent and your only debate strategy seems to try and rag on me as a person since you lack any understanding of thinking outside of your little comfortable fox network.


Alright I've decided to end this debate, your stupidity is becoming to overwhelming for even jsp which i previously believed to be impossible.


The military has done a lot of good in a lot of places. In the matter of the middle east we have done far more harm then good, the repercussions of the things we've done to these people will never be forgotten or forgiven. We have killed massive amounts of civilians and switched from country to country destroying everything in our fucking path and justifying it by an attack that had nothing what so ever to do with the countries we are currently occupying lol. So please tell me why should i support a man or woman who knowingly signs up to kill people who are only defending their homeland? We are the evil foreign invaders, we have no right to be in just about everywhere we are. If Canada was a more powerful nation then us and they felt the need to just come over into the U.S because mexico bombed them would you be chill with them bombing and gunning down civilians? Or do you think just maybe you might start shooting back. Simple point and fact is every man and woman who enlisted knew what they were doing and who's lives they would be destroying by " Defending our country " . That is what makes the men and women of the military wrong, it's not the governments fault that they signed up last i checked we haven't had a draft in awhile. So defend the proud men and women of the military who knowingly and willingly kill off weak nation after weak nation for their natural resources. You call that patriotism well if pissing on the American way of life is being a patriot then i suppose you gentlemen are right.

Once again you will revert to the argument that it's the government i should be angry with and not the people who just willingly act out their selfish and cowardice whims. However every man and woman in the military could of had the chance to either leave or fuck how bout not signing up, I would certainly have a problem with being told to shoot innocent people. I guess for the people who have signed up since about 2003- The Present really just haven't given a shit or just thought killing some towel heads would be fun, I use this term quite a bit since every man I've known to serve in the military has referred to the natives as towel heads. I guess having no sense of tolerance is a completely acceptable standard for the men and women who uphold our way of life. Then again what do I know I'm unpatriotic because i don't believe we should shit all over the constitution every time were running a bit low on resources.


Oh i went and found some nice fun filled facts/quotes for you good people to take a look at . Have a swell night/morning w/e the fuck it is for you, I hope you all enjoyed this as throughly as i did.


"In May 2003, Amnesty International charged, “The ‘war on terror’, far from making the world a safer place, has made it more dangerous by curtailing human rights, undermining the rule of international law and shielding governments from scrutiny. It has deepened divisions among people of different faiths and origins, sowing the seeds for more conflict"

"The Bush administration’s anti-terrorism practices represent a stunning assault on basic principles of justice, government accountability, and the role of the courts."

" [The National Intelligence Estimate report] reportedly concludes that, while al-Qaeda may have been weakened since the 11 September 2001 attacks, the radical Islamic movement worldwide has strengthened with the formation of new groups and cells who are inspired by Osama Bin Laden, but not under his direct control."

"The past five years have seen the USA engage in systematic violations of international law, with a distressing impact on thousands of detainees and their families. Human rights violations have included:

Secret detention
Enforced disappearance
Torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment
Outrages upon personal dignity, including humiliating treatment
Denial and restriction of habeas corpus
Indefinite detention without charge or trial
Prolonged incommunicado detention
Arbitrary detention
Unfair trial procedures"

So Blindly killing the innocent, giving more power to the enemy, destroying the economy of America, taking away human rights from anyone you c fit, not to mention the fact that most military people are fucking D bags.

Now i don't know about you but i still think the government has just had some massive fuck ups recently but the people could have said no and stood for what was truly American, standing up for what you know in your heart to be the right thing to do is what makes you a real American. I'm unpatriotic because I'm the only True American who can stand up and say theres something wrong with this fucking system and blindly supporting it for any longer will only lead to more pain and suffering. Last i checked karma tends to come back and kick in the nuts pretty hard sometimes, lets just hope for fucks sakes it skips us over on this decade.