This is an ideological war, also this is a war where there is no clear enemy. The only way to actually benefit the middle east/the countries we are already in is to continue this and hope to rebuild the country from the ground up like we are doing. At the end of the day however there is still a big population over there in Iraq and Afghanistan that are happy that the soldiers are over there because they understand the long term benefits.

there is no long term benefits in bum fucking a country to death lol. We have destroyed like half off the middle east and not a single fucking thing has changed for the good, just more extremist forming every day. It's really fucking easy to swell your numbers when every man, woman or child has a relative that was a civilian killed by an American soldier.

Like i said go get some facts and blow me away, i don't need to quote and shit stuff to know that what I'm saying is the proof. Find a credible source that discredits me please oh master the military way

Oh so if someone believes bullshit they have no heart and soul. These absolutes are what make you truly a dumbfuck. Give me stats to support your claims, you can't. I don't even need to bother researching. Get this through your thick fucking skull, collateral damage happens, but the overall good outweighs the bad that has been done throughout the years. The only reason these countries were "dying" is because they were ruled by a fucking dictatorship and a terrorist group. We are helping rebuild it into a more productive country as well as an overall better place. Are you really that fucking stupid?

As bad as that sounds i agree 100%. If we pull out now we will just be given into what they want. With an already war torn country it wouldn't take long for terrorists to gain control of power and bring even more to their side. They need us overseas to help rebuild and provide safety and help to those in need of it,

You two bashing each other's opinions is pointless. It proves nothing because you're bashing what the person thinks and you can't change that.

Someone whip out some quickie facts and you'll win the argument. You guys are saying the same thing over and over again and neither of you are convincing each other.

I won't sit here and defend and say that the war in the middle east is a perfect thing, far from it. We made many mistakes, but the bottom line is you are condemning the entire military based on the decisions of the government. Attempting to stray from that topic to begin with is just showing me that you really do not have any valid reason to do so and you know you are losing that argument. That however still doesn't change the fact that we are doing good over there even if we are doing some bad. Helping to rebuild a country to help them get out of a dictatorship or leaders where they oppress the people is always a good thing. Oppression is worse than death especially when people do not know when they are being oppressed like many in the middle east didn't due to the ideology over there.

Exactly, the war to begin with was done horribly, but the worse thing that can happen now is if we ignore it and just leave. The benefits will out weigh the costs when we can finish our job over there. But this argument isn't even about the war. This argument is how he believe inherently all the service men are typically bad because of the bad apples he has come to know which is an absolutist argument which is just plain dumb.

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Name one good thing we have done? There are more extremist factions then ever, not even to mention the trillions of dollars we've so willingly put our country in massive amounts of debt to pay for this bullshit war. Please explain to me were the good comes in lol. We have done nothing other then put people we want in power, who will be quickly over thrown once we've gone because IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK THAT WAY. You can't just play god and put who you want in charge shit tends to collapse even farther when you try to make a nation think and covert to your way of thinking. You can preach your bullshit all you want doesn't mean I'm all of the sudden going to believe it lol , you have been lied to that some good has actually come of this well in actuality they would want nothing more then to have us out and fucking gone and be left alone to figure their own shit out.


These are some principles of common sense for you since you can't seem to grasp that they don't want and don't need are help. We have done nothing except set them back another twenty years at the least, please go read something that has some real information, stop watching fox news and whacking it to Palin the savior that should have been.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on Jul 9 2010 10:49pm

Holy
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Jade, you are many things.

A. Get the ugliness out. You could do many things to keep your image better, and I understand it's all about how you look but my god, fix some shit.
B. Most of your logic is flawed. You're basing everyone off of your experiences. Get that bullshit out of here.
C. You must be fucking retarded if you think wars are only fought between each others military's. Have you taken any history classes?
I could go on and on, but overall, shut the fuck up and die.

Oh and Jonathon, I respect you for what you did, the guild may not be about the US army, but he definitely angered many, and you are definitely allowed to speak your opinion, but just for being so fucking ignorant you deserve the kick.

Im outta here peace guys but consider this

jadeoshbogosh you already snapped and said jon should die because he stated his opinion.
Now imagine this...Do you know what it's like forming a brotherhood with a person and seeing them die to an IED or roadside bomb placed by some coward that could be a child, woman or man? One would want to make sure this doesn't happen to another brother in arms and we have certain rules that we ask the citizens of these war torn countrys to abide by to ensure the safety of them and our troops, I feel that thopse breaking these rules obviously know they are blatantly breaking them and know of the repercussions and therefore i feel it is as mich their fault as ours if innocent lives are lost.