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Jul 22 2011 09:47am
yayyyyy... reach will become playable..
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Jul 22 2011 09:57am
If you actually favor the bloom, you're a fucking moron. Bloom, as a mechanic, is a great thing to have, but the DMR's bloom is incredibly flawed. There's literally no arguing that fact; when the game launched, Fragtality and a couple of other users went super nerd on it and actually posted mathematical proof that spamming is more effective than pacing your shots at most ranges.
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Jul 22 2011 10:18am
Quote (Panic_Fails_at_Diablo @ Jul 22 2011 09:57am)
If you actually favor the bloom, you're a fucking moron. Bloom, as a mechanic, is a great thing to have, but the DMR's bloom is incredibly flawed. There's literally no arguing that fact; when the game launched, Fragtality and a couple of other users went super nerd on it and actually posted mathematical proof that spamming is more effective than pacing your shots at most ranges.


I enjoyed it but would prefer it get removed...
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Jul 22 2011 11:12am
i'd prefer bloom in the game... without the bloom you basically have a 5 shot sniper rifle...

it just needs to be tweaked.
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Jul 22 2011 02:57pm
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if pistola disagrees.. then i disagree.



You're an idiot. That quote is something I heard a bungie kid say in team classic defending bloom and randomness in halo. Pistola never said such things, I just wanted to see the reactions. (/troll)

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i'd prefer bloom in the game... without the bloom you basically have a 5 shot sniper rifle...

it just needs to be tweaked.


Having a powerful starting weapon makes a competitive game. It makes it so you can still go up against a power weapon, making power weapons require more skill to use as instead of having them just be a set up free kills, but rather as they be utilized for kills if used by a skilled person. Look at how amazing H2 and H1 are, it's because of the pistol whose kill time is less than a second, and the BR that can 4 shot cross map like laser beam.

Quote (Breathless @ Jul 21 2011 07:40pm)
Pistola's a twat. Bloom sucks. I've personally embarrassed him while one shot in a DMR battle, and seen a clip of SK doing it to him too, so idk why he still supports it.


I bet you were screaming "OMGOMG pistola sucks!" I remember when I got excited when I played pros.


Good job jsp, you've proved your intelligence.

This post was edited by xx0ur3n on Jul 22 2011 03:00pm
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Jul 22 2011 06:01pm
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You're an idiot. That quote is something I heard a bungie kid say in team classic defending bloom and randomness in halo. Pistola never said such things, I just wanted to see the reactions. (/troll)



Having a powerful starting weapon makes a competitive game. It makes it so you can still go up against a power weapon, making power weapons require more skill to use as instead of having them just be a set up free kills, but rather as they be utilized for kills if used by a skilled person. Look at how amazing H2 and H1 are, it's because of the pistol whose kill time is less than a second, and the BR that can 4 shot cross map like laser beam.



I bet you were screaming "OMGOMG pistola sucks!" I remember when I got excited when I played pros.


Good job jsp, you've proved your intelligence.


Hahaha yeah you shoulda heard me :P "WHAT ARE YOU DOING PISTOLA!?!?!"
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Jul 22 2011 11:13pm
Quote (xx0ur3n @ Jul 22 2011 03:57pm)
Having a powerful starting weapon makes a competitive game. It makes it so you can still go up against a power weapon, making power weapons require more skill to use as instead of having them just be a set up free kills, but rather as they be utilized for kills if used by a skilled person. Look at how amazing H2 and H1 are, it's because of the pistol whose kill time is less than a second, and the BR that can 4 shot cross map like laser beam.


Not really. In CE, the 3sk accurate pistol took a ton of skill to use, and the game had the AR and PR to rely on at close range. The game was incredibly balanced. The H2 BR, however, was bad. There was so much auto-aim in H2 that I'm not sure why people think this is a good weapon. The only saving grace for H2 was button glitches(And, to a certain extent, the maps and overall physics of the game). Reach has no saving grace. You can't just take the bloom out of the game completely without changing the DMR dramatically. As cdillion said, if you just took the bloom out completely, the DMR would turn into a miniature sniper rifle. Regardless of the RoF that the new DMR would have, it would be overpowered at long range(Unless they made the RoF very slow, which would just slow kill speeds down way too much). The DMR can be fixed very easily; just copy Shadowrun's bloom. Make it so the reticule expands and contracts very quickly, and make the reticule much larger than it is now. It would punish spammers very well, but it would still allow those great comebacks(i.e. you're no shields and your opponent is half shield and you win by spamming) that are so common now because people can just spam their hearts out.
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Not really. In CE, the 3sk accurate pistol took a ton of skill to use, and the game had the AR and PR to rely on at close range. The game was incredibly balanced. The H2 BR, however, was bad. There was so much auto-aim in H2 that I'm not sure why people think this is a good weapon. The only saving grace for H2 was button glitches(And, to a certain extent, the maps and overall physics of the game). Reach has no saving grace. You can't just take the bloom out of the game completely without changing the DMR dramatically. As cdillion said, if you just took the bloom out completely, the DMR would turn into a miniature sniper rifle. Regardless of the RoF that the new DMR would have, it would be overpowered at long range(Unless they made the RoF very slow, which would just slow kill speeds down way too much). The DMR can be fixed very easily; just copy Shadowrun's bloom. Make it so the reticule expands and contracts very quickly, and make the reticule much larger than it is now. It would punish spammers very well, but it would still allow those great comebacks(i.e. you're no shields and your opponent is half shield and you win by spamming) that are so common now because people can just spam their hearts out.


What about just shield bleed through, and the DMR 4 shots, and has the same RoF as the H3 BR? Sounds good to me.
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Jul 23 2011 12:49am
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What about just shield bleed through, and the DMR 4 shots, and has the same RoF as the H3 BR? Sounds good to me.


That would make the DMR ridiculously overpowered. If anything, the DMR would need to be weaker.
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That would make the DMR ridiculously overpowered. If anything, the DMR would need to be weaker.


The H3 BR wasn't overpowered...

Edit: and it would be weaker because it's a single shot gun, none of that 2/3 bullets hitting, you either hit or miss.

This post was edited by Breathless on Jul 23 2011 01:12am
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