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Apr 15 2007 09:34am
It's been widely debated that Ultimecia is actualy Rinoa's future self. Many people are on both sides of this argument and both sides have collectd much evidence that suggests that they are right. This topic was once the subject of one of Square Insider's longest threads and I feel it's high time we gave the subject another look. I'll start out by listing all the points suggesting the theory to be true (or at least as many as I can remember). Then someone else can list the points against it and we'll work out from there.
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The Theory:
Due to the long lifespan caused by sorceress powers, Rinoa outlives all the other characters. In order to ease the pain of loseing Squall; Rinoa changes his ring, Greiver, into a GF and junctioned it to herself (or she may have just based the GF off of the ring, something along those lines). To her, Squall was the greatest person to ever live. As a result, Greiver was the strongest GF ("The most powerfull GF.... You shall....Suffer!"). But like the other GF, junctioning Greiver caused the diterioration of memory. Eventualy, all Rinoa knew was that she was a sorceress. She had even forgotten her own name, wich is why she took a new one -Ultimecia. Ultimecia knew only one thing about her past, and that was the fact that she had been happy back then. She wanted to be happy again, she didn't want to feel sorrow any more. That's why she sought out time compression. So that past, present, and future would all become one and the happyness of her past could be felt in her present and on into her future.
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Points that support the theory:
-Rinoa and Ultimecia have a very similar apperance.
-Ultimecia has Rinoa's angel wings. Although anyone can obtain magic wings my useing float. Rinoa is the only one capable of obtaining true wings such as the ones Ultimecia has.
-Ultimecia has Greiver, wich she couldn't have without a connection to Squall.
-Ultimecia's castel was located at the very same place where Squall and Rinoa promised each other that they would be.
-Ultimecia's guardians have a few of your GFs wich you can draw if you missed then earlyer in the game. As the last surviving team member, Rinoa had all the team's GFs.
-One of the team's GFs is also a guardian in Ultimecia's castel (Bahamut/Tiamat).
-Ultimecia's strongest guardian is Omega Weapon, an advanced form of Ultima Weapon. Squall and company were the only people to ever see Ultima Weapon and live.

(There's probably more, but that's all I can remember at this moment)
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Just to save some time later, I'll go ahead and disprove a few points against the theory.
-Odine said Ultimecia hasn't been born yet.
Counter Point: He dosn't know that for sure. He may know more than anyone else about sorceresses, but even Odine dosn't know everything about them. Remember, Adel strictly limited his research.

-Ultimecia has a speach problem caused by haveing a shortened tounge that Rinoa dosn't have.
Counter Point: As long as Rinoa's been alive, there's a very good chance that she may have been injured in such a way that she would talk like that the rest of her life.

-Where's Angelo?
Counter Point: Most dogs don't live past teenage years. Angelo was probably the first of Rinoa's friends to die on her. That pup is long gone.

So what do you think about it? smile.gif
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Apr 15 2007 10:41am
Nice research on the one hand.. Too bad nobody really cares on the other.. huh.gif
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Apr 15 2007 01:19pm
Quote (Huan @ Sun, Apr 15 2007, 11:41am)
Nice research on the one hand.. Too bad nobody really cares on the other.. huh.gif


Someone isn't a hardcore FF fan. dry.gif

After reading, I am more likely to believe that this debate is possible. It would make sense because of Rinoa's loss of memory and only remembering that she is a sorceress. However, I am not sure why she would only remember that at such a young age compared to the current Ultimacea.
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Apr 16 2007 08:15am
Quote (Delusive @ Sun, Apr 15 2007, 11:34am)
It's been widely debated that Ultimecia is actualy Rinoa's future self. Many people are on both sides of this argument and both sides have collectd much evidence that suggests that they are right. This topic was once the subject of one of Square Insider's longest threads and I feel it's high time we gave the subject another look. I'll start out by listing all the points suggesting the theory to be true (or at least as many as I can remember). Then someone else can list the points against it and we'll work out from there.
-----------------------
The Theory:
Due to the long lifespan caused by sorceress powers, Rinoa outlives all the other characters. In order to ease the pain of loseing Squall; Rinoa changes his ring, Greiver, into a GF and junctioned it to herself (or she may have just based the GF off of the ring, something along those lines). To her, Squall was the greatest person to ever live. As a result, Greiver was the strongest GF ("The most powerfull GF.... You shall....Suffer!"). But like the other GF, junctioning Greiver caused the diterioration of memory. Eventualy, all Rinoa knew was that she was a sorceress. She had even forgotten her own name, wich is why she took a new one -Ultimecia. Ultimecia knew only one thing about her past, and that was the fact that she had been happy back then. She wanted to be happy again, she didn't want to feel sorrow any more. That's why she sought out time compression. So that past, present, and future would all become one and the happyness of her past could be felt in her present and on into her future.
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Points that support the theory:
-Rinoa and Ultimecia have a very similar apperance.
-Ultimecia has Rinoa's angel wings. Although anyone can obtain magic wings my useing float. Rinoa is the only one capable of obtaining true wings such as the ones Ultimecia has.
-Ultimecia has Greiver, wich she couldn't have without a connection to Squall.
-Ultimecia's castel was located at the very same place where Squall and Rinoa promised each other that they would be.
-Ultimecia's guardians have a few of your GFs wich you can draw if you missed then earlyer in the game. As the last surviving team member, Rinoa had all the team's GFs.
-One of the team's GFs is also a guardian in Ultimecia's castel (Bahamut/Tiamat).
-Ultimecia's strongest guardian is Omega Weapon, an advanced form of Ultima Weapon. Squall and company were the only people to ever see Ultima Weapon and live.

(There's probably more, but that's all I can remember at this moment)
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Just to save some time later, I'll go ahead and disprove a few points against the theory.
-Odine said Ultimecia hasn't been born yet.
Counter Point: He dosn't know that for sure. He may know more than anyone else about sorceresses, but even Odine dosn't know everything about them. Remember, Adel strictly limited his research.

-Ultimecia has a speach problem caused by haveing a shortened tounge that Rinoa dosn't have.
Counter Point: As long as Rinoa's been alive, there's a very good chance that she may have been injured in such a way that she would talk like that the rest of her life.

-Where's Angelo?
Counter Point: Most dogs don't live past teenage years. Angelo was probably the first of Rinoa's friends to die on her. That pup is long gone.

So what do you think about it? smile.gif




Ultimecia is a child of Rinoa's and possibly Squall's
Thus inheriting all their GFs.

That's my argument.

But I also agree with Huan that nobody really cares probably.

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Apr 16 2007 11:36am
well im not surprised cuz this isn't an ff based forum wink.gif

Quote (BIGASSHAMMM)
Ultimecia is a child of Rinoa's and possibly Squall's
Thus inheriting all their GFs.


tho this sounds intresting aswell smile.gif
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Apr 16 2007 03:40pm
Good theories but as we all know thats all that they will be tongue.gif
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Apr 16 2007 04:06pm
Quote (Espenksk @ Mon, Apr 16 2007, 09:40pm)
Good theories but as we all know thats all that they will be tongue.gif


dont know that for sure, shud ask the creators of the ff storyline
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Apr 16 2007 06:46pm
Wow....thanks alot....now i have to play it and actually beat it,
FUCK,
Here goes a month of my life

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Apr 20 2007 04:43am
Well thats exactly how it is! I mean how can you say its a theory when 100 things are slapping you in the face. The reason people still argue about this story line is becouse its one of the best.
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Apr 20 2007 06:57am
Quote (LadyPantherPaws @ Fri, Apr 20 2007, 10:43am)
Well thats exactly how it is! I mean how can you say its a theory when 100 things are slapping you in the face. The reason people still argue about this story line is becouse its one of the best.


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