Quote (Butte @ Mon, Feb 12 2007, 10:48pm)

no one can lie bout dat

Quote (Khrushchev @ Sat, Jan 12 2008, 02:48pm)

What I was saying is that it was meant to be like that. Easy, pallatable, made so that everyone loves it and likes the characters because they are all cool looking or w/e. The issue I have is that so many people consider it the best RPG ever. It might be the most easily likeable and commercial, it was designed to be; it was designed for the masses. But that doesn't make it the best, it just makes it the most popular. Having played more RPGs than probably anyone else who frequents the final fantasy board, I feel that FF7 is a good game, it is just very highly overrated due only to its popularity and ease of likeability. There are certainly better games in the series, just better commercially.

Quote (BattleRoyale @ Sat, Jan 12 2008, 06:06pm)

Let me get this straight. Your objection to this game is that the people who made it tried to make a game that everyone would like. A game that will apeal to everyone no matter who you are is a bad thing? I wish that more video game designers thought like that. Games now are so pre-occupied with looking and sounding good that they forget to make them fun or add a story.  I can see your point about you dont think its the best game EVER, But, there are so many people that disagree with you.  At least acknowlage that game is good enough that even after 10 years a lot of people still ebjoy it.  How many games that came out a decade ago can still say that?

Quote (BattleRoyale @ Sun, Jan 13 2008, 07:57am)

Ok Khrushchev you obviously have a deep seeded bad attutude about this game, and I'm not going to be able to change that. Instead I will say this. Niiether of us is right. Everything we have said is based on opions. You have yours and I have mine. You seem to hate this game, I think its great. Each opinion is just as valid as the other. Since you seem to concider yourself an expert in this field, what would be your choice for top 3 games.


P.S. For someone who dislikes this game so much you seem to know a lot about it. I'm going to assume you have played it more than once. That in itself is saying something.

Quote (Khrushchev @ Thu, Oct 18 2007, 09:33am)

Ughhh =\

FF7 was basically created for mainstream fanboys, and seeing as how it was most of you people's first RPG, I can see why you all like it, but speaking as someone who has beaten just about every RPG there is up until a year or two ago, it's really not that great. For one, it is about as cliche as it gets. Spikey impossible hair, retardedly large weapon that can be swung around with one hand, good looking "omg he's so cool!!11!1!" villian who tries to be deep but fails miserably. The music is composed of glorified midi tracks, it's alright but not nearly the greatest soundtrack ever. Most of the characters are very poorly developed through their actions; instead they just give a few flashback scenes and call the characters established. They have absolutely no motives of their own besides saving the world, which is lame and overdone. It's not a journey at all for any of them, besides Cloud, but for Cloud it's more like a LSD induced drug trip, all because some big bad corporate men pumped some goo into him. Aeris is a joke, you knew she would die from the first scene you saw of her, and I found her death to neither be tragic or compelling. It was a crappy, unnecessary plot device. Contrast this to say, Tellah Sage in FF4 (omg it's not the first time they've killed a character off in FF?!?!). For such a small cast of characters there is very little situational character development, and well the story is somewhat unique, it is full of cliches and downright strange and pointless at times.

The biggest flaw with FF7 is gameplay though. First off it's way too easy, I have heard of people beating it without ever changing their weapon, without using materia, etc. The magic system is AWFUL. Each character is homogenous, they have no variety whatsoever beyond their limit breaks. Worse off, because of the materia system, ANY character can become godly easily, just by socketing a few pieces. Most of the materia is vastly overpowered, it has no prerequsities other than just having the piece, it is easy as hell to accquire, and far far too many pieces are equippable. Not that there is any variety in equipment to begin with. You get a weapon (everyone has one weapon type, boring), and the weapon generally only has a damage modifier. What weapon you use really doesn't matter, just pick the one with the most sockets for materia and you can destroy anything without even leveling. Instead of armor, you get a bracelet! And an accessory. That's it. As if all it takes to save the world is a gigantic sword with shiney rocks studded into it and a Livestrong armband. Items in the game are worthless, no point in ever using them, and since the game has very few sidequests (instead they just said hey, lets make 2 'hard' to kill bosses and that will make people waste their time on it instead of sending them out on a quest), there is little reason to go hunting for the best gear, you can easily beat the game with junk equipped. The final battle is a joke.

But i've wasted enough time with this, can't really argue against fanboys. It's nowhere near a perfect game, especially in terms of gameplay, where it just blows. If you like interactive movies, that's what the final fantasy series has become, and it all started with FF7, a lot of eye candy without a lot of true content. FF7 isn't as bad as the later games, but it's the starting point. And don't even say the graphics were amazing "for the time" because most of you were 8 at the time and didn't play anything else so you don't know. 7 was good, 6 was better, 4 was probably even better, and there are other RPG titles besides FF that are far better. Tales of Phantasia, despite being old and never released except for in Japan, is a great game, as are Chrono Trigger / Cross, Legend of Mana, Saga Frontier (1, not 2), 7th Saga if you like a HUGE challenge.. Breath of Fire 2 and 3, Romancing Saga...

Honestly. Play some other RPGs. There is a LOT out there that FF fanboys never play, some of the best RPGs in existance. If they played more than just FF they might see what i'm talking about, but instead i'm probably just going to get flamed for this. Flame on >_>

Quote (Khrushchev @ Sun, Jan 13 2008, 07:14am)

Top 3 normal RPGs? Suikoden 2, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 6

Read what I write dude. I said FF7 is a fun game, I also say it is a good game, very good even. I have fun playing it. It's just not the "zomgwtfbbq greatest game ever made", and I get sick of hearing people say that. Most of the people who say it have only played a few RPG's, or only FF games from 7 onward. They remember it fondly as their first, so they like it more than any other. My arguement is that from a technical aspect, the story and gameplay really isn't that amazing. The way it is done is fun and enjoyable, it's a good game, it's just not this masterpiece of RPG's that people seem to think it is.

Opinions are individual, that is true. However, when you post your opinion into a public forum, it becomes more than just an opinion, and should be held up to scrutiny. I have played and beaten an absurd number of RPGs. I am a writer, and know a lot about story archs and character development, which goes well beyond RPGs and into literature, it all applies.