I admit Final Fantasy VII has it's flaws but not many.

Oh I think FF7 is the best one, I have my reasons and I dont have to justify them to anyone and Im not gonna jump down someone's throat just because they dont agree with me. What really aggervates me is the people that constantly uses the phrase "jumps on the FF7 bandwagon" and just spews nothing but hate for the game like its their mission to get people to dislike the game.

In the end its all personal preference about which FF game is your favorite.

Just read this post. LOL. Way to contradict yourself, as you can see by the bold. You criticize someone for shit talking a game they don't like, then you come right back and shit talk a game that you don't like.

FF7 was a huge success, no one can deny that. Whether you like it or not, it was the one that took FF to another level. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.

This post was edited by Lublar on Jun 23 2010 11:42am

There is a truth in this statement

Indeed.

If you pay attention to the plot of 13, it's a very blatant rehash of 7 with a few name changes and tweaks.

For instance: Dysley\Orphan is a permutation of Sephiroth\Jenova. Both assist you throughout the game to further their own plans, which involves a catastrophic event (Ragnarok\Meteor) which would beget their supreme power (Maker\Jenova-Lifestream). Lightning is a Cloud clone - the list goes on.
Of course most FFs revolve around this basic RPG formula, but at least they will go to some length to beat around the bush about it. I hadn't seen such a blatant rehash in a series before.

Then the argument arises that all things being the same, why is one so vastly different in terms of quality? I could prattle on about mechanics and battle systems and whatnot, but I think for the majority of series players, post-FF7 marked the decline of personal attachment to the individual characters and moreso how they fit into the group dynamic.
Instead of development, character backstory is now revealed to us through a vivid, fancy cutscene, and a battle here and there. You are not emotionally invested in the heroes or villains anymore, and thus your playing strategy will now rely purely on the best mathematical combination, not personal preference.

Essentially, everything is so polished, buffed, and perfect that there's little substance left to grow on.

This post was edited by eurynome on Jun 23 2010 07:41pm

LOL, did he just repeat what i said to him, translate it to downie talk. And repeat it back to me?

Funny that, i did join on 7. you know the first one released on playstation. You fucking idiot. Snes was a bit before my time. 4,5,6 were released on ps1 in like 04,05.

Anyway, enough of bashing the retarded.

I think what bothers me most about 13, is that there was literally no imagination, it was just every other bad rpg repeated.

@ Lublar, I think The reason 12 sold more was because PS2 was the predominant console. It was like 5-1 on Xbox's. Imagine if ps1 was in the same position, Game sales for FF games on ps1 would of doubled or tripled. But i like your thinking, def think you would be a solid guy to play 14 with when it comes out ay

I more meant the sales mooched off 7, not the stories. Personally 7 was groundbreaking, in what other Final Fantasies do you literally fall inlove with two different leading ladies? even by the end of the game you were still mourning the dead Aerith. Not since has FF even come close to those story heights. Plus the weapon/materia system (reminisent of LO's skill link system)

4,5,6 were a good opportunity to make some money, The sad part was they halved the difficulty levels from the original snes.

Usually the enjoyment in a FF game is that each one is COMPLETELY different. Even though they are in the end a series. That has died since 12.

As the downie put it best, in the end everyone has an opinion. Call me a 2. (or 4 in Australia) Fanboy. 7 Just gave me the means to be introduced to it.

@ Eurynome 13's absolute BIGGEST fault was how you only controlled one character, while it sped up the game play (gameplay isn't faster then any FF game, it fools you into thinking it because of how much control you lack. you press X, battle goes.) Once you look at that, every other fault is an extension.

Originally i was definitely in the minority who disliked 13 but people really have been jumping the fence lately or just didn't want to be disappointed outloud. All i really want is for 15 to be this massive fucking success and prove me wrong, Until then i'll play Mistwalker games on the 360 and talk about the good ol' days of the ps1.

This post was edited by FunSize on Jun 24 2010 02:59am

The conclusion we all came up with is 13 just sucks.

Now, lets play some frogger.

Materia was the best magic system. You could tailor the characters to the role you wanted, instead of them learning "Fire 2" at lvl 10. Also means you can use whatever character you liked, not just because they had the best skill set.
Back in the day, the graphics were amazing. It didnt have some copy & pasted generic storyline or characters. It had one of the best game soundtracks ever, and a bunch of plot twists to keep you interested. (Instead of "Oh noes! The princess has been kidnapped. Random village boy will become the hero of the planet.")
And before they started coming out with sequels & backstory, the ending made you guess as to whether or not Holy destroyed all the people. (Oh yeah.. You dont see any other FF game getting all that side-story shit. Obv because FF7 has the biggest fanbase, and they can do more to continue the story.)

I guarantee you cant even provide several good reasons as to why its a "terrible game" with a "shitty" story.
And FF13 sucks. I believe I made a post about this way back before the game even came out in America. "Lightning.. shes fast as thunder. Snow, he's cold as ice. Hope.. he's the planets only hope."

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=39807073&f=222&o=30 I'm psychic.

This post was edited by ZvLoD on Jun 24 2010 06:01pm

^ I can give you my opinions as to why it's one of my least favorites. I don't take it to extremes as "shitty", because it's not. But I think it's somewhat overrated.

The materia system was overpowered and made characters feel generic, copies of each other. The characters really didn't have roles, since they all did the exact same things whenever they pleased. Even though the characters did have certain stat progression that differed, the materia system really made it moot.

In terms of difficulty, FF7 is the easiest. This probably ties in with the materia system being overpowered. No fight was really a challenge. Also, there are extremely cheap ways to set up your characters with materia which makes losing a battle pretty much impossible. Losing a battle in that game is pretty embarrassing. Really, the only hard fights are the Ruby and Emerald weapons, and even those aren't that hard to beat.

It did follow the generic formula, as a lot of RPGs do. Where a ragtag group of people gets together to save the world. The only characters that REALLY knew each other were Cloud and Tifa, everyone else were just random people who decided they'd help. Also, the storyline follows the usual "bad guy wants to become more powerful so he can rule/destroy the world". I didn't think the story was told in a particularly efficient matter either. The game had a good pace in terms of progression through the story, but I don't think the actual story telling was the greatest. There were a lot of things that didn't really make sense as the game progressed, things that weren't explained well. I've played the game through all the way a few times, and I know that I didn't have a grip on all the details even after that. I don't consider a story solid if that's the case. I know a lot of people felt the same way.

Things I can agree with though: it does have a good soundtrack, good story pacing with plenty to keep you interested, plenty of side quests and exploration ability, and a solid cast of characters. As far as the characters go, everyone has a strong personality or identity. One thing I hate though, and this isn't REALLY related to FF7, is how much shit Squall gets for being emo in FF8. BUT, Cloud is one of the most emo characters ever, I'd argue he has more angst than Squall, and noone seems to give him any shit. It's obvious favoritism. He's emo, and insane as shit, but it's all good because it's Cloud I guess.