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Jan 22 2009 04:02am
Wow I didn't quite expect this post to turn out this way I figured i'd be running head long into a bunch of ff7 fanboys who didn't know dick.

Happily suprised to see so many people share my love for ff8

I loved the story even though generic because of the characters and most other aspects but truly i'm just a sucker for a long rpg with good character development.

It's like being told a fascinating interactive story.

Plus its probably idiotic to admit this...However FF8 GREATLY helped me improve my reading abilities as a growing child..its 4 discs long of nearly exclusive reading everything that is said between anyone or anything and ever since i've had a deeply instilled thirst to develop my vocabulary even further and it will probably always stay with me due to this game alone it's given me a life long desire to read and learn new words all the time.

When I was originally playing it my first time as a child and I told my mother I thought it was going to be a great tool to help me with my reading she laughed of course because I was both a child and she dissaproved of games even though she would still purchase them for me. Educational reasons were my basis for getting her to facilitate my video game addiction as a pre-teen and young teen with no job.

It is blatently clear I never learned proper grammar, but I still enjoy my words..and when i'm speaking you can't see that my grammar is poor so at least I sound intelligent even if my typing and handwriting do tend to say opposite.

My personal rankings well top 3 for me out of the ones i've played:

1. FF8
2. FF10
3. FF7

Well this is where a debate ensues really..I consider FF7 to be my #3 but that is based soley on the beloved characters it has given us and the pretty nice story line. Gameplay not withstanding...I'm not saying it was bad just that its been too long to remember.

Edit: and I have played some of the older FF's as well but they just never captured my attetion and gave me a true desire to play like the 3 above.

This post was edited by TheNextBestThing on Jan 22 2009 04:04am
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Jan 22 2009 01:04pm
Just to be clear, my top 10 are as following:

01. Final Fantasy VIII
02. Final Fantasy X
03. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
04. Final Fantasy II
05. Final Fantasy VI
06. Final Fantasy V
07. Final Fantasy Mystic Quest
08. Final Fantasy
09. Final Fantasy IV
10. Final Fantasy III

Considering that Final Fantasy VII doesn't even make my top 10, let alone my top 3, I'm far more likely to catch Final Fantasy VII fanboy hate than you are. My primary reason for not liking Final Fantasy VII as much as other titles in the franchise stems mostly from my game design background (I've been writing design documents for games I'd like to create since high school), since I don't see Final Fantasy VII as a really innovative game in terms of gameplay design the way Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy X or even Final Fantasy Tactics Advance are. Take out the characters and the story, and its system closely resembles Final Fantasy VI with only a few "upgrades", some of which feel more like downgrades, particularly the limitation of spellcasting based on Materia mastery and the reality that no character had any real abilities unique to themselves aside from Limit Breaks, which were mostly higher-damage attacks giving different animations.
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Jan 22 2009 02:25pm
even if you take out characters I can say I still agree with you on your and my top 2

They just seemed to be risks to the way the franchise was and were huge success in doing so and that shows me Before the enix merger...Square was an elite developer..but in my humble opinion since the merger with Enix

There games have gotten rather mediocre at best.

And the final fantasy series has became pure garbage to me not even worth buying muchless purchasing a platform FF used to be able to sell me a console JUST on its back alone.

X-2 was an embarassment
11 was online..which is in no way how final fantasy should be.
12 was trash to me which some people won't agree with I Think its a hate it or love it game and I hated it.

FF13 Damn well better pick up the slack or im just going to drop the FF series altogether until something worthwhile actually comes out of it.

Crisis core I haven't played that is the one exception that could be argued to me since enix was incorporated into the picture.
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Jan 22 2009 04:58pm
Final Fantasy VIII and Final Fantasy X both saw SQUARE taking a number of risks, many of which paid off, if you look at it simply from the gameplay design perspective.

Both Final Fantasy VIII and Final Fantasy X featured innovative character development systems that left flexibility and control in the hands of the player. The Sphere Grid and the Junction systems had similar functions: that is, to give players control of to develop their characters as they saw fit, although the end result were different in that characters in Final Fantasy X gained permanent ability with growth, whereas gaining additional levels held few benefits for Final Fantasy VIII characters, since growth from leveling was minuscule at best; if anything, the two games are completely opposites of one another in terms of gameplay, in that Final Fantasy X encourages grinding to allow players to further customize their characters, while Final Fantasy VIII puts little stock in grinding, since character attributes and abilities are based on something outside of leveling. However, Final Fantasy X was better received than Final Fantasy VIII in terms of gameplay, something I attribute to characters learning permanent abilties, which gave players more flexibility than Final Fantasy VIII's Junction system, where many players were somewhat limited to how characters could develop, dependent on the abilities they had unlocked for Junctioning.

SQUARE isn't particularly good at making direct sequels; that is my belief. Aside from Final Fantasy X-2, which saw SQUARE's abandonment of the deeply customizable Sphere Grid, hot-swapping turn-based system and jumping to the old ATB system and a comparatively shallow Dress Sphere Grid system, Final Fantasy Tactics A2 is another example of this. Although SQUARE kept most of the good aspects of Final Fantasy Tactics Advance in making its sequel, the developers also removed the Law system, the only system in the game that made the game interesting and different within the genre; although the system wasn't removed per se, it was effectively nullified when it became of no consequence, allowing players to completely ignore it without any penalty of note. Likewise, the Auction system added to the game was no more than a gimmick and was effectively superfluous, as it added no value to the game's core system.

Of all the direct sequels SQUARE is responsible for, the only titles I can honestly call good are limited to Parasite Eve 2 and Chrono Cross, both titles that saw major changes to the game compared to their predecessor; at that, Parasite Eve 2's gameplay was bit of a clone of Resident Evil with role-playing elements, and Chrono Cross was very much a clusterfuck that saw the developers introduce too many extraneous characters and thus never really fully developing any of them as truly unique playable characters the way characters in Chrono Trigger were all distinctive in function.
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Jan 22 2009 06:23pm
Quote (TheNextBestThing @ Thu, Jan 22 2009, 03:02am)
Wow I didn't quite expect this post to turn out this way I figured i'd be running head long into a bunch of ff7 fanboys who didn't know dick.

Happily suprised to see so many people share my love for ff8

I loved the story even though generic because of the characters and most other aspects but truly i'm just a sucker for a long rpg with good character development.

It's like being told a fascinating interactive story.

Plus its probably idiotic to admit this...However FF8 GREATLY helped me improve my reading abilities as a growing child..its 4 discs long of nearly exclusive reading everything that is said between anyone or anything and ever since i've had a deeply instilled thirst to develop my vocabulary even further and it will probably always stay with me due to this game alone it's given me a life long desire to read and learn new words all the time.

When I was originally playing it my first time as a child and I told my mother I thought it was going to be a great tool to help me with my reading she laughed of course because I was both a child and she dissaproved of games even though she would still purchase them for me. Educational reasons were my basis for getting her to facilitate my video game addiction as a pre-teen and young teen with no job.

It is blatently clear I never learned proper grammar, but I still enjoy my words..and when i'm speaking you can't see that my grammar is poor so at least I sound intelligent even if my typing and handwriting do tend to say opposite.

My personal rankings well top 3 for me out of the ones i've played:

1. FF8
2. FF10
3. FF7

Well this is where a debate ensues really..I consider FF7 to be my #3 but that is based soley on the beloved characters it has given us and the pretty nice story line. Gameplay not withstanding...I'm not saying it was bad just that its been too long to remember.

Edit: and I have played some of the older FF's as well but they just never captured my attetion and gave me a true desire to play like the 3 above.


i used to be a hardcore ff7 fan boy, but not as much any more (ff4 my fav now), its quite easy to realize and understand why other people have their favorites
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Jan 22 2009 06:30pm
Quote (TheNextBestThing @ Sat, Jan 3 2009, 06:20am)
Its true plain and  simple.

FF7 was great, FF10 was heart.gif But neithier compares with FF8

Nor does any of the pre Playstation games or ff9..Granted I only went to the end of the first disc because it bored me to fucking death..but still sleep.gif

Who the fuck didn't love ALL those..what were they called again...? The 20+ probably more summons.

God if only they'd update that game w/ nowadays graphics and voice acting..I'd never touch another game again.


that i reallly dont think should be in ff games, i enjoy the reading in ff games, and alot of the time in voice acted games you get alot of dumb and annoying voices, (imagine cait sith voice acted in ff7, like, its a dumb enough char already you dont want to have to listen to it as well)

This post was edited by nate321 on Jan 22 2009 06:32pm
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Jan 22 2009 06:58pm
Quote (nate321 @ Thu, Jan 22 2009, 05:30pm)
that i reallly dont think should be in ff games, i enjoy the reading in ff games, and alot of the time in voice acted games you get alot of dumb and annoying voices, (imagine cait sith voice acted in ff7, like, its a dumb enough char already you dont want to have to listen to it as well)


I kind of agree with this. However, that's mostly likely because voice actors for English language translations of Final Fantasy games are generally miscast; Tidus's seiyuu in the Japanese language Final Fantasy X was nowhere as annoying as the English language voice actor. Also, America tends to be lacking in properly-trained voice talent, at least in the mainstream, making finding suitable voice talent difficult for directors.
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Quote (HaikenEdge @ Thu, Jan 22 2009, 05:58pm)
I kind of agree with this. However, that's mostly likely because voice actors for English language translations of Final Fantasy games are generally miscast; Tidus's seiyuu in the Japanese language Final Fantasy X was nowhere as annoying as the English language voice actor. Also, America tends to be lacking in properly-trained voice talent, at least in the mainstream, making finding suitable voice talent difficult for directors.


yeup, so they should leave it out lawl
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That, I agree with. Unless they find perfect voice actors for every part.
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Quote (HaikenEdge @ Thu, Jan 22 2009, 06:20pm)
That, I agree with. Unless they find perfect voice actors for every part.


which is near impossible, hell ive only ever watched advent children in japanese with english subtitles cause im scared of how dumb it sounds in english, and what ive heard so far is the english version is pretty cheesey....

This post was edited by nate321 on Jan 22 2009 08:43pm
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