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at the end of x-2 shinra talks about how the farplane has ridiculous levels of energy, and could be used = mako energy, but would take generations to develop the technology

so in the future the people of the world of 10 travel from planet to planet sucking up mako energy, they are the cetra
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Oct 29 2012 07:22am
Sounds like a stretch to me.
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Oct 29 2012 12:57pm
Yeah... no.
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at the end of x-2 shinra talks about how the farplane has ridiculous levels of energy, and could be used = mako energy, but would take generations to develop the technology

so in the future the people of the world of 10 travel from planet to planet sucking up mako energy, they are the cetra


i don't think the cetra "suck up" mako energy, btw mako was what ShinRa processed from the lifestream, it isn't the natural form that existed on earth. and i don't see how you assume that the cetra travelled from planet to planet. they were predecessors to the humans, and there were never any hints that the cetra were aliens. sorry, it sounds like a cool theory an all, but i don't see where you're getting it from
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Quote (Lublar @ Oct 30 2012 02:22am)
Sounds like a stretch to me.


was confirmed by square lol, hang on I'll go fish up the link somewhere


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This interview established that there would be a connection between the two
worlds, though it didn't detail it. However, based on what was later revealed
to be the connection, it's clear that it had already been conceived, as
Kitase hints at it with his final word on the subject. In 2003, the exact
nature of the concept was finally revealed in the Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania,
having been hinted toward by a few elements of the game.

Nojima revealed that Shinra of the Gullwings, an Al Bhed child prodigy and
inventor of various machinery, would attempt using the remains of Vegnagun --
the behemoth machina Shuyin tried to destroy Spira with -- to extract life
energy from the Farplane and use it to power machines. Shinra would attempt
doing this as a result of his analysis of the Farplane late in the game.
During this diagnostic, Shinra concluded that there was a great deal of energy
floating around inside the Farplane, and that it was most likely the life
force of Spira, which could be extracted and used as a power source; however,
he concluded that it would take generations to properly implement the idea.

Further of note is that Nojima explained that the Al Bhed entrepeneur Rin also
was interested in extracting mako from the Farplane, and that he provided
Shinra with the funding to make the attempt. For his part, Rin's desire to do
this is revealed during the game should he be uncovered as the culprit behind
covering up the malfunctioning machina disaster on the Mi'hen Highroad.

Nojima went on to say that Shinra's attempts to use Vegnagun's remains failed
and that he was unable to complete the concept of mako-extraction, just as
Shinra had predicted. However, some 1000 years later, once space travel became
possible, Shinra's descendants would go on a voyage to the world of Final
Fantasy VII. There, at some point in the future, they would be successful in
utilizing the concept, and would provide electricity from the Planet for a
price; these descendants would found the Shin-Ra Company of Final Fantasy VII.

The connection would again be hinted toward in the Final Fantasy X-2:
International+Last Mission (released in 2004) game's Last Mission scenario, in
which Rikku revealed that Rin and Shinra had begun working together. Next,
the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega guidebook (released in September, 2005)
also brings forth mention of the concept, and, finally, the connection may
have received further indication through Dirge of Cerberus (released in
January, 2006) and the Advent Children Reunion Files book (released in May,
2006), in which it is established that the Shera airship seen in Advent
Children and Dirge of Cerberus runs on ancient, lost non-mako technology that
Cid discovered. This technology very well may have originally belonged to
Shinra's descendants, as they are the only previous inhabitants of VII's world
indicated to have been in possession of advanced technology, and because the
interior of the Shera bears some aesthetic resemblances to those of the
Fahrenheit and Celsius airships that figure prominently into FFX and FFX-2
(though the Shera's interior bears more of a resemblance to the Celsius').


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Quote (Grime @ Oct 30 2012 07:57am)
Yeah... no.


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↑ "Kazushige Nojima: '...After quitting the Gullwings, Shinra received enormous financial support from Rin, and began trying to use Vegnagun to siphon Mako Energy from the Farplane. But, he is unable to complete the system for utilizing this energy in his generation, and in the future, when traveling to distant planets becomes possible, the Shinra Company is founded on another world, or something like that....... That would happen about 1000 years after this story, I think.'" Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania Interview with FFX-2 creators, Page 723. Final Fantasy Forums


yeah... yeah.
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Oct 30 2012 05:26pm
It's still a stretch, even if some of the higher ups are "hinting" at it. It's just something they toyed with to get fanboys to react. I doubt when 7 was being made, they were thinking, "Hey for a few games later we should leave FF7s story a little open ended so another game that is completely unrelated can explain how everything possibly got there". It was definitely just something thrown in later to mindfuck fanboys.

If highly advanced space travelers settled the planet, then why was Cid researching Rocket Science and attempting to go into space? Cid was employed by Shinra to do it. You'd think space traveling technology wasn't something that would be easily forgotten, especially if they made the fuel source that they already needed to do it: Mako. There are plot holes in FF7 that wouldn't make any sense if all this was true.
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It's still a stretch, even if some of the higher ups are "hinting" at it.  It's just something they toyed with to get fanboys to react.  I doubt when 7 was being made, they were thinking, "Hey for a few games later we should leave FF7s story a little open ended so another game that is completely unrelated can explain how everything possibly got there".  It was definitely just something thrown in later to mindfuck fanboys. 

If highly advanced space travelers settled the planet, then why was Cid researching Rocket Science and attempting to go into space?  Cid was employed by Shinra to do it.  You'd think space traveling technology wasn't something that would be easily forgotten, especially if they made the fuel source that they already needed to do it: Mako.  There are plot holes in FF7 that wouldn't make any sense if all this was true.


been confirmed, don't look for excuses
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