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Quote (Voyaging @ Jul 15 2015 12:32pm)
Seems like a pretty insightful discussion tbh since there are two very opposed opinions with legend players on both sides of the argument

Nobody is saying it's a bad card in every deck (well op is but he's a confirmed moron). I'm saying the card draw function of the card in isolation is fairly mediocre, even bad.


THATS BECAUSE ITS MEANT FOR DECK THINNING NOT VALUE BASED CARD DRAW YOU FUCKING IDIOT
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Jul 15 2015 03:47pm
Quote (Eternal_Amaranth @ Jul 15 2015 05:32pm)
THATS BECAUSE ITS MEANT FOR DECK THINNING NOT VALUE BASED CARD DRAW YOU FUCKING IDIOT


ROFL hes lowering ur IQ lv bro ignore him. :D
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Jul 15 2015 04:11pm
Quote (Eternal_Amaranth @ Jul 15 2015 10:32pm)
THATS BECAUSE ITS MEANT FOR DECK THINNING NOT VALUE BASED CARD DRAW YOU FUCKING IDIOT


huh, calm down wtf
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Quote (Troll @ Jul 15 2015 06:11pm)
huh, calm down wtf


I'm just done with stupid people. My career involves hundreds of people with a complete lack of common sense and my most visited forum in years is filled with bickering idiots who won't accept any other opinion. Rant over I guess.
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Quote (Voyaging @ Jul 15 2015 09:17am)
Yeah I'm a troll


aye
edit: also a legend player, but i know when to stop argueing...

Quote (sayhullo @ Jul 15 2015 10:25pm)
Using freeze mage as an example, you need a certain combo of cards ( Emperor / Ice Lance / Ice Lance / Frost Bolt / Malygoss ) so you thing your deck by adding nothing but draw cards - that's what deck thinning is. When you stack draw cards, like in freeze mage, it's deck thinning to increase the chances of drawing your full combo so every other card in the deck is about stall / draw. 2 Loot Hoarder, 2 Acolyte, 2 intellect. The largest benefit of mad scientist is the deck thinning.


he is a troll for sure and only play arena

This post was edited by LP_Soldier on Jul 15 2015 04:56pm
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Jul 15 2015 06:19pm
Quote (Eternal_Amaranth @ Jul 15 2015 05:32pm)
THATS BECAUSE ITS MEANT FOR DECK THINNING NOT VALUE BASED CARD DRAW YOU FUCKING IDIOT


It's funny how you're getting so mad when you're completely wrong.

It's like you just heard about deck thinning for the first time and think you're some kind of expert.

Quote (Eternal_Amaranth @ Jul 15 2015 06:15pm)
my most visited forum in years is filled with bickering idiots who won't accept any other opinion.


Irony.

So tell me, would arcane intellect be played if it's text was "discard a card and draw two cards"? It would be equally good for deck thinning, after all.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Jul 15 2015 06:21pm
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Quote (sayhullo @ Jul 15 2015 05:25pm)
You're either a troll or kind of dumb ^-^
Or maybe you don't understand what deck thinning is oO;

Using freeze mage as an example, you need a certain combo of cards ( Emperor / Ice Lance / Ice Lance / Frost Bolt / Malygoss ) so you thing your deck by adding nothing but draw cards - that's what deck thinning is. When you stack draw cards, like in freeze mage, it's deck thinning to increase the chances of drawing your full combo so every other card in the deck is about stall / draw. 2 Loot Hoarder, 2 Acolyte, 2 intellect. The largest benefit of mad scientist is the deck thinning.


Lmao that last sentence is all I need to know you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Mad scientist is used because it draws and plays a card for free. It's both card advantage and tempo. It's not one of the best cards in the game because of its deck thinning ffs

I swear to God it's so annoying to have huge noobs try to argue with you about shit they don't understand.

Fetch lands are for deck thinning. Card advantage draw spells are not.
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Jul 15 2015 06:33pm
in tempo mage AI is used cause you mostly run out of cards. You play all your low drops and get stuff out for cheap. Intellect is often used to refill a little so you don't run out of things to do..

in freeze mage it's used to find your burn/freeze and pretty much anything to survive till you can combo them. So drawing cards is key. Neither time is it really used to thin out your deck.

It does help you get to your better stuff which is kind of the same thing in theory i guess.
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Jul 15 2015 06:56pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Jul 15 2015 05:25pm)
Lmao that last sentence is all I need to know you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Mad scientist is used because it draws and plays a card for free. It's both card advantage and tempo. It's not one of the best cards in the game because of its deck thinning ffs

I swear to God it's so annoying to have huge noobs try to argue with you about shit they don't understand.

Fetch lands are for deck thinning. Card advantage draw spells are not.


Yeah, having mad scientist take cards out of your deck and play them isn't thinning at all kappa. You literally just said it's good because it thins your deck but you are too stupid to realize it LOL

you're fucking stupid lol
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Jul 15 2015 07:01pm
Oh yeah I forgot to link the article that de facto proves deck thinning isn't significant:

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/print.asp?ID=3096



And this is where the cost is only 1 life instead of 3 mana!

Obviously it needs to be adjusted for a 30 card deck for Hearthstone since going from 30 to 29 cards is a bigger jump than 60 to 59 but the general idea remains true.

This is all on top of the fact that the card costs fucking 3 mana.

Srsly, stop overrated deck thinning. This discussion has already been had thousands of times among professional MTG players and the consensus is that cards used exclusively for deck thinning have an extremely marginal benefit.

Quote (sayhullo @ Jul 15 2015 08:56pm)
Yeah, having mad scientist take cards out of your deck and play them isn't thinning at all kappa. You literally just said it's good because it thins your deck but you are too stupid to realize it LOL

you're fucking stupid lol


Mad scientist could be "Deathrattle: Put a copy of a secret card from your deck into play" and it would be almost exactly as good, despite having NO deck thinning effect.

Keep up the insults though.
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