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Jun 13 2016 06:47pm
Quote (Jaina @ Jun 13 2016 06:25pm)
Am I crazy or is Zoo at a real disadvantage against Shaman ?

I feel like the Zoo are like Zergs and Shaman Protoss.

Shaman's minions are much stronger (totem golden feral spirit etc) and the ones of the Zoo are similar to the zergling.

And guess what ? The Storm from the Templar always killed those zerglings easily. Similar to the shaman lightnings torm :D


yeah u just gotta flood them first
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Jun 13 2016 06:51pm
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not to state the obvious but just milligan for 1 drops, if u have the coin u want specifically 2 1 drops to open


yeah you're right you just stated the obvious.
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Jun 13 2016 07:12pm
Quote (Jaina @ Jun 13 2016 07:51pm)
yeah you're right you just stated the obvious.


you get a kick out of being a tool dun u lol..
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Jun 13 2016 07:23pm
Quote (oWntpWnt @ 13 Jun 2016 20:12)
you get a kick out of being a tool dun u lol..


Explain what you mean by that.

''Mulligan for 1 drops when you play Zoo''

No shit. Doesn't take a scientist to come to that conclusion.
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Jun 13 2016 08:12pm
Quote (Jaina @ Jun 13 2016 08:23pm)
Explain what you mean by that.

''Mulligan for 1 drops when you play Zoo''

No shit. Doesn't take a scientist to come to that conclusion.


the hardest part is using mana efficiently against the shaman.. Since the shaman is so fast you basically never want to tap before turns 5-6. The loss of tempo is too devastating.. You need to sometimes make reads on the storms if possible.. Holding ritual for after a storm etc is helpful.. Remove spellpower totems etc.
the matchup from my experience is probably like 65-35.. though it doesn't feel like it during the match. Often its a tradefest/struggle that goes on 9+ turns.

Also the zoo's tech matters a bit too.. I see so many zoolocks running mortal coils and argent squires and I just facepalm everytime. :3

This post was edited by Hepzibah on Jun 13 2016 08:13pm
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Jun 13 2016 08:21pm
Quote (Hepzibah @ 13 Jun 2016 21:12)
the hardest part is using mana efficiently against the shaman.. Since the shaman is so fast you basically never want to tap before turns 5-6. The loss of tempo is too devastating.. You need to sometimes make reads on the storms if possible.. Holding ritual for after a storm etc is helpful.. Remove spellpower totems etc.
the matchup from my experience is probably like 65-35.. though it doesn't feel like it during the match. Often its a tradefest/struggle that goes on 9+ turns.

Also the zoo's tech matters a bit too.. I see so many zoolocks running mortal coils and argent squires and I just facepalm everytime. :3


Tbh I don't think i'll play anymore ranking this season. I just always hit rank 5 and stop caring.

However if you want I can show you the list I was using.

Didn't use coil though.
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Jun 14 2016 03:53am
Quote (Jaina @ Jun 13 2016 06:25pm)
Am I crazy or is Zoo at a real disadvantage against Shaman ?

I feel like the Zoo are like Zergs and Shaman Protoss.

Shaman's minions are much stronger (totem golden feral spirit etc) and the ones of the Zoo are similar to the zergling.

And guess what ? The Storm from the Templar always killed those zerglings easily. Similar to the shaman lightnings torm :D


Eventually zoo will be able to put more minions on the board than shaman, and then they can use power overwhelming on 1/1's to clear out totem golems and such. But it can be hard to get the board if you don't draw something like abusive sergeant early.
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Jun 14 2016 05:00am
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Eventually zoo will be able to put more minions on the board than shaman, and then they can use power overwhelming on 1/1's to clear out totem golems and such. But it can be hard to get the board if you don't draw something like abusive sergeant early.


But it's also worth noting that I think midrange shaman with double lightning storm is favored vs. zoo. Or I'm just bad at that matchup.
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But it's also worth noting that I think midrange shaman with double lightning storm is favored vs. zoo. Or I'm just bad at that matchup.


yeah its favored, kinda hard to play around
especially when they have two in hand
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Jun 14 2016 07:00am
how does thun warrior beat the shaman decks running around atm?

apparently I'm positive (6-3) vs them but the matchup doesn't feel that way after the last 3.

last few games I'm fighting for board control and when i finally get it I'm so low that a few burn spells finishes me


ONec i managed to have board control at 16 and they did double lava burst double lightning bolt -_-
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