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Jul 14 2017 02:34pm
Quote (FroggyG @ Jul 14 2017 03:20pm)
That's what gathering data is...


i wouldn't normally dispute anything about this. this thread though, is about how i feel the masses ruined it. only because they couldn't comprehend how to battle it.
i've stated early off i was in disagreement. my claims are based solely off experience playing this game. which is why i'm able to list cards and plays. from most of you all i'm getting is... this guy said so. i know what ppl have said, again i am in disagreement. the whole point of this thread.
some of you have made a decent point, just like the mention of control priest vs rogue. from my experience, that is a very correct call. i can't even imagine losing to a priest with my pre-nerf quest rogue. but i am not in agreement over quest warrior. i think ppl should learn to play quest warrior better is all.
still. even if we all include quest warrior. that's 2 decks listed to me that would have troubles. is 2 very specific decks worth killing the quest? i refuse to add quest warrior to the list myself, but 2 decks having a weakness to 1 is not uncommon. by any means.
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Jul 14 2017 03:16pm
this thread is poppin. more please
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Jul 14 2017 05:23pm
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jul 14 2017 03:34pm)
i wouldn't normally dispute anything about this. this thread though, is about how i feel the masses ruined it. only because they couldn't comprehend how to battle it.
i've stated early off i was in disagreement. my claims are based solely off experience playing this game. which is why i'm able to list cards and plays. from most of you all i'm getting is... this guy said so. i know what ppl have said, again i am in disagreement. the whole point of this thread.
some of you have made a decent point, just like the mention of control priest vs rogue. from my experience, that is a very correct call. i can't even imagine losing to a priest with my pre-nerf quest rogue. but i am not in agreement over quest warrior. i think ppl should learn to play quest warrior better is all.
still. even if we all include quest warrior. that's 2 decks listed to me that would have troubles. is 2 very specific decks worth killing the quest? i refuse to add quest warrior to the list myself, but 2 decks having a weakness to 1 is not uncommon. by any means.


Seems your only issue was already answered by both me and froggy.

Quote (DrLatBC @ Jul 13 2017 11:26am)
I love when people do this.

Every single control deck that was too weak to stop quest Rogue. Taunt warrior for instance. Remember, quest Rogue is a BIG reason so many control decks never even saw the light of day.

PS. At least my opinion is based on something. (like streamers who have literally made a living off hs)

Go ask kibler, Kripp, firebat or other streamers how they feel about quest Rogue. Kibler also has card game designing experience under his belt, but what the fuck does he know lol.




Quote (FroggyG @ Jul 13 2017 12:32pm)
The reason you can't think of any decks that are weak to quest rogue is because they aren't viable due to quest rogue.
Worst part of quest rogue is simply just poor game design though


But don't let this stop you, this is actually hours of laughter from my end.

This post was edited by DrLatBC on Jul 14 2017 05:25pm
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Jul 14 2017 05:41pm
haven't played ladder in 2 months, do I dust golden quest rogue?
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Jul 14 2017 06:58pm
Quote (mlbpro417 @ Jul 14 2017 06:41pm)
haven't played ladder in 2 months, do I dust golden quest rogue?


I mean I would.

If it stays popular just recraft it ezpz. If it is totally useless then you you lose 3600 dust if you didn't dust it.

I always dust nerfed cards for this reason lol.

This post was edited by DrLatBC on Jul 14 2017 06:59pm
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Jul 14 2017 08:32pm
Quote (mlbpro417 @ Jul 14 2017 06:41pm)
haven't played ladder in 2 months, do I dust golden quest rogue?


dust it, as BC says you can always recraft it.

Quote (DrLatBC @ Jul 14 2017 06:23pm)
Seems your only issue was already answered by both me and froggy.
But don't let this stop you, this is actually hours of laughter from my end.


although i haven't agreed fully with every statement froggy has made here. froggy has still made some points. over-all froggy has been saying, rogue is the reason we don't see decks that lose to rogue.
you are telling me that quest warrior loses to quest rogue. i mean sure, it can. but it's not this extravagant disadvantage you are making it out to be.

you have listed exactly 1 play, in a very loosely used way.

Quote (DrLatBC @ Jul 13 2017 04:14pm)
Incorrect.

Taunt warriors very low attack minions can't pressure out the Rogue before he completes quest then vanishes.

Then it's difficult to play enough taunts per turn to stop a constant stream of 5/5s who almost can always trade efficiently with your taunts.

You clearly don't understand the deck you're defending lol.
/e
Ding ding ding. We have a winner!


can you seriously believe that you have vanish 100% of the time when you need it. especially as i only used 1 in my deck, i can tell you it doesn't.
taunt minions are supposed to trade off. they are literally there as blockers while you complete your quest.
the lack of consistent pressure early game does help a quest rogue play with options. i don't think you are taking into factor how few minions the rogue uses.
pending what turn it is, 1 whirlwind or brawl or sleeping with the fishes can devastate options and completely turn momentum.
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Jul 14 2017 08:36pm
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jul 14 2017 09:32pm)
dust it, as BC says you can always recraft it.



although i haven't agreed fully with every statement froggy has made here. froggy has still made some points. over-all froggy has been saying, rogue is the reason we don't see decks that lose to rogue.
you are telling me that quest warrior loses to quest rogue. i mean sure, it can. but it's not this extravagant disadvantage you are making it out to be.

you have listed exactly 1 play, in a very loosely used way.



can you seriously believe that you have vanish 100% of the time when you need it. especially as i only used 1 in my deck, i can tell you it doesn't.
taunt minions are supposed to trade off. they are literally there as blockers while you complete your quest.
the lack of consistent pressure early game does help a quest rogue play with options. i don't think you are taking into factor how few minions the rogue uses.
pending what turn it is, 1 whirlwind or brawl or sleeping with the fishes can devastate options and completely turn momentum.


I like how you choose to ignore half my posts then bash me for "having one point"

I literally in plain English said there are lots of decks that never saw the light of day because of rogue, I even fucking said it before froggy. YOU LITERALLY COMPLIMENTED MY POINT BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE HAD MADE IT AFTER ME.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

/e God bless, buddy. :hail:

This post was edited by DrLatBC on Jul 14 2017 08:42pm
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Jul 14 2017 10:02pm
Quote (DrLatBC @ Jul 14 2017 09:36pm)
I like how you choose to ignore half my posts then bash me for "having one point"

I literally in plain English said there are lots of decks that never saw the light of day because of rogue, I even fucking said it before froggy. YOU LITERALLY COMPLIMENTED MY POINT BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE HAD MADE IT AFTER ME.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

/e God bless, buddy. :hail:


when? you mean when you said the nerf was for "LOTS" of decks? you speak so vaguely. you continue to steal other peoples actual effort to build a point.
roflwaffle w/e yourself to sleep if you want to. simple minds, simple pleasures.
i'm all up for a debate. you just come here with a large mouth as you spout more bull shit than i. you say i'm ignoring half your posts? i've clearly answered to them all and you choose to ignore them because you wouldn't be a proper fanboy if you didn't follow your streamer.
if you've forgotten any of those replies, go ahead and read back. you seem to love reading my stuff any way.
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Jul 14 2017 11:26pm
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jul 14 2017 11:02pm)
when? you mean when you said the nerf was for "LOTS" of decks? you speak so vaguely. you continue to steal other peoples actual effort to build a point.
roflwaffle w/e yourself to sleep if you want to. simple minds, simple pleasures.
i'm all up for a debate. you just come here with a large mouth as you spout more bull shit than i. you say i'm ignoring half your posts? i've clearly answered to them all and you choose to ignore them because you wouldn't be a proper fanboy if you didn't follow your streamer.
if you've forgotten any of those replies, go ahead and read back. you seem to love reading my stuff any way.


Quote (DrLatBC @ Jul 13 2017 11:26am)
I love when people do this.

Every single control deck that was too weak to stop quest Rogue. Taunt warrior for instance. Remember, quest Rogue is a BIG reason so many control decks never even saw the light of day.


PS. At least my opinion is based on something. (like streamers who have literally made a living off hs)

Go ask kibler, Kripp, firebat or other streamers how they feel about quest Rogue. Kibler also has card game designing experience under his belt, but what the fuck does he know lol.


God bless. Reading is hard.
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Jul 15 2017 12:30am
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jul 14 2017 02:34pm)
i wouldn't normally dispute anything about this. this thread though, is about how i feel the masses ruined it. only because they couldn't comprehend how to battle it.
i've stated early off i was in disagreement. my claims are based solely off experience playing this game. which is why i'm able to list cards and plays. from most of you all i'm getting is... this guy said so. i know what ppl have said, again i am in disagreement. the whole point of this thread.
some of you have made a decent point, just like the mention of control priest vs rogue. from my experience, that is a very correct call. i can't even imagine losing to a priest with my pre-nerf quest rogue. but i am not in agreement over quest warrior. i think ppl should learn to play quest warrior better is all.
still. even if we all include quest warrior. that's 2 decks listed to me that would have troubles. is 2 very specific decks worth killing the quest? i refuse to add quest warrior to the list myself, but 2 decks having a weakness to 1 is not uncommon. by any means.


It doesn't matter whether you know how to battle it or not.
I don't think this is a matter of win percentages.

It's not interactive. It's bad for the game. And it pushes out a lot of control decks from meta making it almost purely aggressive (and a lot of people are tired of aggressive metas).

If you want though, you can easily look up win percentages at specific rankings of control decks vs quest rogue. I think they normally sort by 1-5, 5-15, 15+

This post was edited by FroggyG on Jul 15 2017 12:31am
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