Get some reading comprehension, m9.

There's a pretty large timegap between Beta and Urza's Legacy.

That's exactly what I'm saying? The icy manipulator ability is used as an interrupt and before an opponent would be allowed to choose his blockers.. -- once the creature becomes tapped it simply can't be a blocker anymore.

I honestly have no idea where you see that blocking rule.. "If a creature became tapped after it was assigned as a blocker, the creature still blocks but doesn't deal any damage."

How would that even work? Icy manipulator simply renders the creature useless... I really would love to pull up an old rulebook because I do not recall ever reading tapped creatures can block at all.. and if they block they deal damage.. you can't icy after the block to negate the damage..

You guys make no sense..



What the fuck are you talking about m8... 1993 - 1998 was only a fucking 5 year time span.. roughly the time I spent playing mtg..

Okay, so 3rd was revised, I played to 5th. 5th was the third white boarder vanilla set. the fuck. its been a few years.

I'm not the one thinking you can block with a tapped minion.. I don't understand how a minion can become tapped after blocking unless a minion states it taps the creature it is attacking, and takes no damage. -- There was never a rule otherwise. Icy manipulators effect would of taken place before the blocker declared, meaning a different blocker would have to be chosen.

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This post was edited by Hepzibah on Mar 31 2015 12:19pm

Step one: add dr boom
Step two: add any other cards

And you're done.

No.. you can do stuff after blockers are declared and before damage is dealt* (I shouldnt say "resolves", as damage no longer does on the stack these days. Block+Sac'ing pyre zombie was fun while it lasted)
Back then if it was tapped after blocking it wouldn't do damage.


Heres original rulebook http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/jc20

Obviously its a pretty strange and complex rule and thats why they decided to change it.
You can still tap a declared blocking creature now too, but it will do damage.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Mar 31 2015 12:37pm

I'm not the one failing to understand something after it's been explained to him 3 times.

And yeah, 5 years is pretty long. Especially in that era of MtG where the rules underwent several big changes.

lol okay.. I just re-read pages 23-25 roughly.. the bogwraith on the cover made me do it.. -- that was a really weird rule.

Generally in play we used icy manipulator to keep a target ' locked down' in a sense, -- or again in combination with powerful ability's like the royal assassin..

I didn't remember ever using it in creature - creature trades, typically I'd just tap the minion/blocker in question, and just end up hitting face or leaving my opponent to choose a different blocker..

I do see the value in this rule.. idk I guess we never read the rule//card like that.

Glad they changed that rule, because that's just dumb as fuck.. no wonder im so confused.. :3

This post was edited by Hepzibah on Mar 31 2015 12:45pm