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Thanks for putting words in my mouth and attacking a strawman.
"strawman"
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I already explained that I was being hyperbolic calling Amnesiac trash. Pavel is clearly a significantly better player than him though.
No, thats your opinion. Its far from clear.
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Pavel's ban and deck strategy was extremely well thought out and he's done it at multiple tournaments now with extraordinary success.
Yes i recognize a professional player put thought into his strategy and that he has had success.
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The fact that Amnesiac can't wrap his head around it alone suggests that Pavel understands the game on a far deeper level (deck choice, building, and ban strategy being by far the most important part of tournament success, and Pavel being maybe the best in the world at it).
More subjective opinions and declarations.
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Pavel is also a better player because over a sufficient sample size he has a vastly better win rate.
Over 169 matches, Pavel has a 72.2% win rate.
Amnesiac, over 48 matches, has a 62.5% win rate.
In order to match Pavel's win rate, he'd need to win over 75% of his next 100+ matches (a higher win rate than anyone in the world).
You copypasta'd the argument from a pleb reddit thread, using bad statistics that I have already undermined.If you used my HCT point tournament win rates and compared them to championship win rates, id look fantastic relative to many pro players too.
In reality the competition is typically way lower in those tournaments.
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You don't get a win rate on 500+ games like that on a fluke. You get it by making incredibly good deck and ban choices and playing well.
At Blizzcon, Pavel went 12-1 vs Druid, including both of his reverse sweeps. You think that was a fluke? No, he specifically built his lineup and decks to target Druid. Dark Arakkoa in his Druid, C'Thun Warrior, Water Elemental in Mage, etc. Nearly every one of his match wins played Druid.
At HCT he built his decks extraordinarily well for the meta and banned properly. He went I believe 9-0 vs Pirate Warrior (thanks to his building defensive decks strong against it as well as double Mortal Strike in his own Pirate Warrior). He specifically didn't target Reno decks (and only faced one, talk about good decision making). Nearly every one of his match wins played Pirate Warrior.
Suggesting he got very lucky and misplayed
at times is not saying he only succeeds on flukes or that he is a terrible player.
There is more than enough room for both of those to be true. (reasonably good and incredibly lucky at key times)
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Pavel is the better player, possibly the best player in the world right now. Amnesiac is a good but not top tier professional, with a substantially smaller conceptual and strategic understanding of the game, and both his statements and results corroborate that.
His results indicate he is a top tier player with many great ladder finishes and quality tournament results, including being the NA champion, and also would have finished top 4 or better at worlds if not for Pavel sucking out on him.
'Not top tier' and previously calling him "trash" is based more on your emotions about him than anything else.
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I don't know if anyone is as good as Pavel at meta prediction and countering in a tournament. The fact that Amnesiac, a player who regularly makes inferior deck and ban choices, has the nerve to attack his superior for his ban choices is telling of how good Amnesiac really is.
Pavel won 3 major tournaments because he's a master of deck selection. Amnesiac keeps losing and getting pissy because he isn't.
You keep asserting he is the far superior when its just not the case. You keep using the 3 wins as circular logic to claim hes way better.
This post was edited by cambovenzi on Feb 15 2017 05:29am