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Feb 12 2017 09:04pm
Quote (FroggyG @ Feb 12 2017 08:32pm)
What happens if he doesn't get the perfect polymorphs from his random spells
He loses the whole tournament and the hype around him doesn't exist
Did he get any better or worse at the game because of that roll? No.
The outcome doesn't matter in determining skill

People see that he wins and claim that it is skill


Such stupidity to use one specific event as somehow proof that he won because of luck.

Are you ignoring all of the times his opponent got lucky?

All of the times his opponent had the nuts or he had a bad draw?

Much like poker, Hearthstone is a game of many sequences events with elements of randomness, but over enough it will always favor the strongest players. RNG is merely variance and it doesn't last over long periods of time. You don't win 3 tournaments by luck, period.
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Feb 12 2017 09:23pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Feb 12 2017 09:04pm)
Such stupidity to use one specific event as somehow proof that he won because of luck.

Are you ignoring all of the times his opponent got lucky?

All of the times his opponent had the nuts or he had a bad draw?

Much like poker, Hearthstone is a game of many sequences events with elements of randomness, but over enough it will always favor the strongest players. RNG is merely variance and it doesn't last over long periods of time. You don't win 3 tournaments by luck, period.


One specific event is all that is necessary because his entire tournament was on the line with one single RNG roll
If he didn't get it, he would have lost the tournament
It's that simple.

He won his tournaments with luck. Period.
If he plays 10 people and any 1 of them gets lucky and wins against him, his tournament is over.

Poker is over the course of a long long period of time where you can opt out of poor odds
You get multiple opportunities to read your opponent and make your play when you are ready and grind someone out with skill. You lose some with RNG but they don't have to decide the whole game unless you're already behind and you need a hail mary.

This post was edited by FroggyG on Feb 12 2017 09:26pm
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Feb 12 2017 09:49pm
Quote (FroggyG @ Feb 12 2017 10:23pm)
One specific event is all that is necessary because his entire tournament was on the line with one single RNG roll
If he didn't get it, he would have lost the tournament
It's that simple.


And if his opponent hadn't had the nut draw the 3 games prior that event would've never been necessary for him to win.

Isolating one event in a sequence of thousands of events as being somehow more important than all the others is just nonsense. The tournament didn't start just before the Babbling Book was played. Yes, at that point in the tournament the Babbling Book RNG was the difference between winning and losing, but that's one tiny event within the entirety of their tournament matches.

P.S. A year of Hearthstone tournaments is also over the course of a long period of time. Plenty of poker hands are determined by Paveling Book level RNG.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Feb 12 2017 09:50pm
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Quote (Voyaging @ Feb 12 2017 09:49pm)
And if his opponent hadn't had the nut draw the 3 games prior that event would've never been necessary for him to win.

Isolating one event in a sequence of thousands of events as being somehow more important than all the others is just nonsense. The tournament didn't start just before the Babbling Book was played. Yes, at that point in the tournament the Babbling Book RNG was the difference between winning and losing, but that's one tiny event within the entirety of their tournament matches.

P.S. A year of Hearthstone tournaments is also over the course of a long period of time. Plenty of poker hands are determined by Paveling Book level RNG.


The point is that your entire tournament life comes down to single RNG rolls
He could very easily have had 3 of those rolls not be in his favor and then win 0 tournaments
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