At least I didn't start it .

BaileyII#1413 add me in game we'll make ya something climbable.

you do realise that many people here have been playing it way before march 2014? (including me even if i suck and never hit better than rank 6)

I remember when you could tap your Winter Orb on your opponents turn for maximum salt.

tapped creatures could block? the fuck?

Sera angel was good because it didn't tap to attack.. meaning it could be used as a blocker the turn it attacked.. idk what version of mtg you played son..

icy manipulator was insane through cards like royal assassin, which would tap to destroy any tapped creature, and or when just forcing your opponent to not have a blocker at all..



This... Some of us have been playing since closed beta. the game is closer to two years old then it is one year. We didn't lose cards or anything..

That all being said, this deck is so horrible.. You have a bad singles habbit.. fix it.

This post was edited by Hepzibah on Mar 31 2015 07:23am

Back in the day, when a creature was assigned to block, if the attacker could tap it (for example with Icy) then the blocker didn't deal combat damage.

No...

Never ever in the history of mtg have you been able to block with a tapped creature .. a creature can block, then be tapped for an ability afterwords... but no.

just no...

You played wrong.

that was part of the strategy to MTG.. : Had you tapped your creatures to attack you would not be able to block with them had your opponent attacked the next turn.. unless stated on the card ( hence my sera angel reference)

a card that was forcefully tapped by an icyt manipulator was rendered a useless target.. could not attack nor defend.

Icy was strong on its own, but then doubled with cards like royal assassin, or w/e combo you can think of.. was OP..

Clearly its been too long. maybe you were too young to remember, or simply forgotten.. but a google search would be wise before quote posting me again on this.. :3

This post was edited by Hepzibah on Mar 31 2015 08:21am

Are you trolling me?

Pay attention:

1) Player A attacks with Creature X
2) Player B blocks Creature X with his untapped Creature Y.
3) Player A targets Creature Y with his Icy Manipulator, tapping it.
4) Creature Y deals no combats damage, but receives combat damage from Creature X.

This was before 5th Edition, I believe.

Nowhere did I state that a tapped creature could block.

How is this statement logical? Once the Icy Manipulator taps the minion which is about to be declared as a blocker, the minion simply CANNOT block at all. -- an attacker does not choose defender in mtg.. the icy manipulator ability is used as an interrupt after seeing your opponent make a decision. - This would force your opponent to either A: Let the damage in to face, or B: declare a different untapped blocker. that is all..

I believe the card was reworked after 4th or 5th.. but I played beta - 3rd.. maybe some of the early urza's sagas at the latest.

the bottem line : a tapped minion simply can never be declared a blocker. yah? -- So the rule of a tapped minion which is blocking deals no attack damage is either houserule or just you forget how to play... a tapped creature can no longer make any actions until untapped. which happens at the start of your turn..

e/ If you icy manipulate a 0/7 wall to tap it, the wall CANNOT be declared as a blocker anymore that round.

Pay attention... Make the google search like I asked...

This post was edited by Hepzibah on Mar 31 2015 11:49am

You cant declare new blockers after you have declared blockers...

There is no "about to be declared as blocker" phase. If you tap him after he is declared it still counts as a block. If you tap him in a phase before blockers are declared he can't block.

From the original magic rulebook: If a creature became tapped after it was assigned as a blocker, the creature still blocks but doesn't deal any damage.

Rulings on icy manipulator:
"If you want to stop someone from attacking with a creature by using this card, you must do so before attackers are declared. You can't wait until after attackers are declared and then try to use it to make a creature stop attacking. Note that your opponent can't start declaring attackers without letting you use the Icy Manipulator."