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Sep 4 2017 08:48am
Quote (2Cb @ 4 Sep 2017 06:42)
Murloc Paladonk and PW have same winrate so they must need nerfs too


that's stupid reasoning...

Ultimate infestation is just beyond broken.

if you're having a close game or slowly beating down a druid, a topdeck ultimate infestation instantly swings the game in his favor.

Maybe you haven't played enough against druid to realise it ?
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Sep 4 2017 09:28am
Ben brode tweeted that they were looking into nerfing Druid.
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Sep 4 2017 11:57am
Quote (Jaina @ Sep 4 2017 06:48am)
that's stupid reasoning...

Ultimate infestation is just beyond broken.

if you're having a close game or slowly beating down a druid, a topdeck ultimate infestation instantly swings the game in his favor.

Maybe you haven't played enough against druid to realise it ?



I play against plenty of Druids and I have played as Druid plenty. I played Jade Druid from Rank 17 to Rank 4 and then played Murloc Pally from Rank 4 to Rank 2 this season. Murloc Pally was far and away much easier to ladder with than Jade Druid and has a favored matchup with Jade as well. I agree Aggro Druid is broken and needs a nerf but Jade Druid is as balanced as T1 decks can be.

Even that cuck Firebat said Jade Druid isn't as strong as people say it is and he plays against them all damn day.

This post was edited by 2Cb on Sep 4 2017 11:59am
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Sep 4 2017 12:40pm
Quote (Bups @ Sep 3 2017 06:35pm)
They're nerfing Ultimate Infestation next week I heard.


Even with that, druid is still pretty strong.

As long as innervate and wild growth is a thing, druid will still survive just fine.
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Sep 4 2017 02:27pm
Quote (2Cb @ 4 Sep 2017 12:57)
I play against plenty of Druids and I have played as Druid plenty. I played Jade Druid from Rank 17 to Rank 4 and then played Murloc Pally from Rank 4 to Rank 2 this season. Murloc Pally was far and away much easier to ladder with than Jade Druid and has a favored matchup with Jade as well. I agree Aggro Druid is broken and needs a nerf but Jade Druid is as balanced as T1 decks can be.

Even that cuck Firebat said Jade Druid isn't as strong as people say it is and he plays against them all damn day.


Sure, Jade druid isn't that strong. That's why it's over 30-40% of the meta in legend rank ?

And even with these numbers, it feels like it's even higher.

Also, you should know that nerfs isn't just because a deck is too strong winrate wise, it's also because certain archetype can completely ruin other archetype, that's why Quest Rogue was nerfed,
Jade druid is killing plenty of control archetype because it's just too strong against them.

Can't believe I have to explain this.

Also for your earlier argument about PW and Murloc paladin.. sure they are strong decks but none of their cards are as broken as Ultimate Infestation. You can't just nerf 4-5 cards that aren't even broken to nerf a deck because it has a good winrate.

Ultimate infestation and Jade Idol can be nerfed because they are just broken on their own.

This post was edited by Jaina on Sep 4 2017 02:30pm
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Quote (Jaina @ Sep 4 2017 12:27pm)
Sure, Jade druid isn't that strong. That's why it's over 30-40% of the meta in legend rank ?

And even with these numbers, it feels like it's even higher.

Also, you should know that nerfs isn't just because a deck is too strong winrate wise, it's also because certain archetype can completely ruin other archetype, that's why Quest Rogue was nerfed,
Jade druid is killing plenty of control archetype because it's just too strong against them.

Can't believe I have to explain this.

Also for your earlier argument about PW and Murloc paladin.. sure they are strong decks but none of their cards are as broken as Ultimate Infestation. You can't just nerf 4-5 cards that aren't even broken to nerf a deck because it has a good winrate.

Ultimate infestation and Jade Idol can be nerfed because they are just broken on their own.



Quest Rogue is a deck that can burst you for 30 from hand on turn 6. There's no comparison to a 10 mana card that isn't even a guaranteed win. Jade Druid is a deck with heavy decision making; Quest Rogue is solitaire.

Seems to me you've been reading too many salt threads on Reddit. They like to pretend there are some mystical unicorn control decks out there that don't see play just because Jade Idol exists which even if that was true in MSoG or Un'Goro (it wasn't) there's no excuse anymore since Geist was printed.
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Sep 4 2017 03:58pm
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Quest Rogue is a deck that can burst you for 30 from hand on turn 6. There's no comparison to a 10 mana card that isn't even a guaranteed win. Jade Druid is a deck with heavy decision making; Quest Rogue is solitaire.

Seems to me you've been reading too many salt threads on Reddit. They like to pretend there are some mystical unicorn control decks out there that don't see play just because Jade Idol exists which even if that was true in MSoG or Un'Goro (it wasn't) there's no excuse anymore since Geist was printed.


a 4/6 for 6 wont really help against a deck that relies on massive tempo swings and snowball, even in control matchups
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Sep 4 2017 04:48pm
Most played cards in Hearthstone and their winrates

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Sep 4 2017 05:00pm
Quote (FroggyG @ 4 Sep 2017 17:48)
Most played cards in Hearthstone and their winrates

https://i.gyazo.com/96490591de6a436794417aa00ba9d33c.png


61% lol

Balanced
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Sep 5 2017 02:36am
Quote (Troll @ Sep 4 2017 01:58pm)
a 4/6 for 6 wont really help against a deck that relies on massive tempo swings and snowball, even in control matchups


Then it would appear that your "Control" deck needs more "control" tools.

Quote (FroggyG @ Sep 4 2017 02:48pm)
Most played cards in Hearthstone and their winrates

https://i.gyazo.com/96490591de6a436794417aa00ba9d33c.png


This confirms that Jade Druid is popular, that's about it.

Quote (Jaina @ Sep 4 2017 03:00pm)
61% lol

Balanced



Both PW and Murloc Paladonk have over 60% winrate. As I have stated before.



Your whole argument comes down to "I don't like x deck because it's popular".
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