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Feb 16 2017 08:43pm
Quote (Hepzibah @ Feb 16 2017 08:28pm)
â—¾This analysis gives us a sense of cards played, rather than cards used in decks. This produces a bias in favor of certain cards: 1.Low-mana cost cards, or mulligan priority cards, since they get played more often than expensive, late game cards.2.Neutral cards over class cards, since they can be played by all classes. This pertains to general tables (not to the tables that report each class separately).
3.Non-legendary cards, since you can have two copies of them in each deck.

Shouldn't be surprising if you can read right


Of course lower cost cards are played more
Didn't think the entire top 20 would be under 3 cost however :o
Or maybe I did since pirate decks

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Quote (FroggyG @ Feb 16 2017 09:43pm)
Of course lower cost cards are played more
Didn't think the entire top 20 would be under 3 cost however :o
Or maybe I did since pirate decks


That's not the point.. again.. You constantly are missing the point here froggyg
The point is they state there is a bias to lower/curving cards - yet you still seem shocked for some reason.. There are 9 classes in hearthstone - I hope to hell they have at least 2 cards they want to play before turn 5 man.
its amazing azure drake makes the list at all..

You should be amazed he's there because he's costs so much.. Not because he's the only one... there shouldn't be anything over 4 cost on that list.

unless youre a fucking casual kripparian pleb who has delusions of what cards and or decks should or should not do.

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Not entirely sure froggy understands card games at all.
Think he might be genuinely bad at all games he plays. :P
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Feb 16 2017 09:14pm
Quote (Hepzibah @ Feb 16 2017 09:00pm)
That's not the point.. again.. You constantly are missing the point here froggyg
The point is they state there is a bias to lower/curving cards - yet you still seem shocked for some reason.. There are 9 classes in hearthstone - I hope to hell they have at least 2 cards they want to play before turn 5 man.
its amazing azure drake makes the list at all..

You should be amazed he's there because he's costs so much.. Not because he's the only one... there shouldn't be anything over 4 cost on that list.

unless youre a fucking casual kripparian pleb who has delusions of what cards and or decks should or should not do.


If azure drake makes it then it makes sense other cards would too

Quote (Hepzibah @ Feb 16 2017 09:04pm)
Not entirely sure froggy understands card games at all.
Think he might be genuinely bad at all games he plays. :P


Your vendetta against me is hilarious
I got a couple people in LoL forum just as obsessed as you :D
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Feb 16 2017 09:20pm
Quote (FroggyG @ Feb 16 2017 10:14pm)
If azure drake makes it then it makes sense other cards would too



Your vendetta against me is hilarious
I got a couple people in LoL forum just as obsessed as you :D


I mean.. you make it really evident you have no idea about the actual meta or competitive scene at all, but you come off as so concerned about it.
There really shouldn't be any 5 drop on that list whatsoever. the fact azure drake is on there - and so high up speaks volumes the that particular cards strength.
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Feb 16 2017 09:45pm
Shots aside, Hepzibah has a point.


If everyone played the same exact decks the lower cost cards would show up more in the tracker despite the same amount of each of the cards being in the deck.

Or putting it another way, if my deck has 2 Small Time Buccaneers and two azure drakes, the pirates would show up significantly more in the tracking.
(Both as a consequence of mulliganing for low drops and games sometimes ending before the slower cards can be played out.)

Despite this disadvantage, Azure drake shows up in the top cards because its played in so many competitive decks.
Its been a well-established "good card" since the release of hearthstone.
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Feb 16 2017 09:49pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Feb 16 2017 09:45pm)
Shots aside, Hepzibah has a point.


If everyone played the same exact decks the lower cost cards would show up more in the tracker despite the same amount of each of the cards being in the deck.

Or putting it another way, if my deck has 2 Small Time Buccaneers and two azure drakes, the pirates would show up significantly more in the tracking.
(Both as a consequence of mulliganing for low drops and games sometimes ending before the slower cards can be played out.)

Despite this disadvantage, Azure drake shows up in the top cards because its played in so many competitive decks.
Its been a well-established "good card" since the release of hearthstone.


Yeah that's all obvious and not surprising.
19 to 1 is what what's surprising
The ratio of 3 and under to 3 and over says a lot about the game's current state
Basically it's stating that if you don't flood your deck with 3 and under drops you get rushed down

The kind of game Hearthstone is now.

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Feb 16 2017 10:19pm
Quote (FroggyG @ Feb 16 2017 10:49pm)
Yeah that's all obvious and not surprising.
19 to 1 is what what's surprising
The ratio of 3 and under to 3 and over says a lot about the game's current state
Basically it's stating that if you don't flood your deck with 3 and under drops you get rushed down

The kind of game Hearthstone is now.


If you understand what I posted above the ratio shouldn't be surprising and says very little about the game's current state.

Specific 4+ or 5+ drop cards would have to be played in very significantly more decks than many of the most common 1-3 drops in order for them to show up on the list.

They would probably not show up in force on the top 20 list during any past hearthstone meta either.
For example in May 2016 the only other 4+ card that showed up in the top 25 was Bloodhoof Brave.
http://www.vicioussyndicate.com/25-frequently-played-hearthstone-cards/
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Feb 16 2017 10:23pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Feb 16 2017 10:19pm)
If you understand what I posted above the ratio shouldn't be surprising and says very little about the game's current state.

Specific 4+ or 5+ drop cards would have to be played in very significantly more decks than many of the most common 1-3 drops in order for them to show up on the list.

They would probably not show up in force on the top 20 list during any past hearthstone meta either.
For example in May 2016 the only other 4+ card that showed up in the top 25 was Bloodhoof Brave.
http://www.vicioussyndicate.com/25-frequently-played-hearthstone-cards/


I mean if we look at some professional decks
"midrange" Shaman has 20/30 cards 3 and under cost
And most control decks are like 10/30

Looking at a similar style game "Legends" that I play
The decks are loaded with mid level cards instead
But you are actually allowed to do nothing on turn 1 and 2 and still have what you would consider to be a good hand

This post was edited by FroggyG on Feb 16 2017 10:25pm
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Feb 16 2017 10:30pm
So lets compare a typical agro hearthstone deck to the current g/b agro MTG deck..

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-g-b-aggro-32991#online

it runs one 6 drop - and one 5 drop.

Show me how this is any different.. ? or elaborate please im confused froggyg... :P

e/ it looks like there might be two 5 drops in the list... Still topping out at 6.. in comparison - agro shaman is topping out at Aya - also 6 cost.

but hearthstone decks and mana system call for a far more consistent overall curve vs a more midrange focused MTG meta.. I do think hearthstone will eventually also figure itself out.. I mean, its not even fair to compare it to MTG in it's first years right?

This post was edited by Hepzibah on Feb 16 2017 10:39pm
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