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#11
Aug 26 2015 08:24pm
Quote (FroggyG @ Aug 26 2015 08:49pm)
Nef and Ysera have no immediate effect on the board at all. You can't do anything with them the turn they are played.
Neither does Onyxia, but gives you 6x 1/1s to immediately threaten them while Ysera gives you 1 random card that can be trash.
The 1/1s can at be used to combo with bloodlust, savage roar
And it's better at trading against aggressive decks that have lots of minions on board.

That's like saying Dr. Boom is trash. Does it fill your board? Yes. That's all.


Dr boom would be trash if boom bots were just 1/1s. They aren't though. They are 2-8 damage randomly put across the enemies board/face.

Nef and ysera have an immediate impact on the GAME. Not the board. 2 spells and any ysera card is a HUGE fucking deal. I understand why you think what you think, i'm just telling you why people don't play it. Alex too. Name one common big drop that is used that doesn't have an immediate effect. I dare you :P .

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Aug 26 2015 10:32pm
Quote (DrLatBC @ Aug 26 2015 09:24pm)
Dr boom would be trash if boom bots were just 1/1s. They aren't though. They are 2-8 damage randomly put across the enemies board/face.

Nef and ysera have an immediate impact on the GAME. Not the board. 2 spells and any ysera card is a HUGE fucking deal. I understand why you think what you think, i'm just telling you why people don't play it. Alex too. Name one common big drop that is used that doesn't have an immediate effect. I dare you :P .



This, you don't want all those 1-1s in the board late game. Usually just clutter your board
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Aug 27 2015 12:05am
[QUOTE=x]FoRsaKeN[x,Aug 26 2015 11:32pm]This, you don't want all those 1-1s in the board late game. Usually just clutter your board[/QUOTE]

Accurate. If you have a board full of 1/1s against say a freeze mage, they might just leave them so you can't spam out your bigger minions.
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Aug 27 2015 06:55am
Quote (DrLatBC @ Aug 26 2015 10:05pm)
Quote (x]FoRsaKeNx @ Aug 26 2015 11:32pm)
This, you don't want all those 1-1s in the board late game. Usually just clutter your board


Accurate. If you have a board full of 1/1s against say a freeze mage, they might just leave them so you can't spam out your bigger minions.


And then die to bloodlust or savage roar

I was just wondering how there hasn't been a single deck to use the card, because there is definitely a lot of value in it.

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Aug 27 2015 07:24am
Quote (FroggyG @ Aug 27 2015 08:55am)
And then die to bloodlust or savage roar

I was just wondering how there hasn't been a single deck to use the card, because there is definitely a lot of value in it.



Probably because it's easier and more reliable to do 16 damage in 8 turns then force/savage rather than stall, play onyxia turn 9, and hope enough welps/onyxia lives to savage the next turn.

The best answers to these questions can often be found by just playing it yourself. You'll see how slow it is and how much tempo you lose from playing an 8/8 that does nothing.
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Aug 27 2015 07:25am
Quote (Pinecones @ Aug 27 2015 05:24am)
Probably because it's easier and more reliable to do 16 damage in 8 turns then force/savage rather than stall, play onyxia turn 9, and hope enough welps/onyxia lives to savage the next turn.

The best answers to these questions can often be found by just playing it yourself. You'll see how slow it is and how much tempo you lose from playing an 8/8 that does nothing.


You wouldn't be stalling for some "big combo" play. It's just a high value card that you can combo off of. You'd play threats all game, then drop Onyxia later on, and if they've been wiping your board all game and don't have anymore AoE you now have a free win.


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Aug 27 2015 11:42am
Quote (FroggyG @ Aug 27 2015 07:55am)
And then die to bloodlust or savage roar

I was just wondering how there hasn't been a single deck to use the card, because there is definitely a lot of value in it.



I have told you twice now, because it has no immediate impact. You keep saying you just wanna know why it's not played and I keep telling you. We understand why you think it's good, but this is the reason it's not played. -_-

Quote (FroggyG @ Aug 27 2015 07:55am)
And then die to bloodlust or savage roar

I was just wondering how there hasn't been a single deck to use the card, because there is definitely a lot of value in it.


So either you have one card or i win? Those odds aren't too bad.

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#18
Aug 27 2015 02:49pm
To sum it up, Onyxia is too little too late.
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Aug 27 2015 04:22pm
Quote (DrLatBC @ Aug 27 2015 09:42am)
I have told you twice now, because it has no immediate impact. You keep saying you just wanna know why it's not played and I keep telling you. We understand why you think it's good, but this is the reason it's not played. -_-


But your argument is incorrect.
That's like saying playing 7 shredders has no immediate impact on the game because they don't give you cards and they don't effect your opponent's board.

I agree with you, but the way you argue it is poor.

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Aug 27 2015 05:11pm
Quote (FroggyG @ Aug 27 2015 05:22pm)
But your argument is incorrect.
That's like saying playing 7 shredders has no immediate impact on the game because they don't give you cards and they don't effect your opponent's board.

I agree with you, but the way you argue it is poor.


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