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Jul 17 2015 05:09pm
Quote (FroggyG @ Jul 17 2015 04:55pm)
Sinister Strike is in the deck BECAUSE of Emperor...

0 cost 8 damage...

And I do quite well against face hunters because the deck is so low cost


I think you're looking at the flashy plays instead of making your deck consistent. Sinister Strike does work well with Emperor and Auctioneer but it's not needed to kill your opponent with Malygos (and can be a win more card in a lot of situations). Early variants of the deck (last summer) ran double Sinister Strike because it was a cheap spell for Auctioneer and could be played with a Maylgos on turn 10 for a guaranteed 8 damage. But it's often times not needed because you can already do 15+ damage with Emperor's reduction or a Preparation. What you should be focusing on is making your deck consistent as possible and that starts by removing cards like Sinister Strike, Conceal, and Sabotage as they are very situational cards that are only good in ideal situations.

This post was edited by Bad Town on Jul 17 2015 05:11pm
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Jul 17 2015 05:12pm
Quote (Bad Town @ Jul 17 2015 05:52pm)
I don't see how you can play a Miracle style Rogue deck without Azure Drake. It's one of the best neutral cards for Rogue in the game and it's even better in Miracle variants. I would try to add two asap. FoRsaKeN's suggestion of removing a Conceal and a Sabotage seems like the best option. I would also consider dropping 1 Auctioneer for 1 Sprint as it gives you more versatility with you spells. My last suggestion would be to remove both Sinister's Strikes as they are no longer needed with the addition of Emperor. This gives you two slots to improve your aggro matchup as your list looks too slow for today's meta.


6 cards above 3 mana isn't slow. Are you high?

This post was edited by DrLatBC on Jul 17 2015 05:27pm
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Jul 17 2015 05:15pm
Quote (Bad Town @ Jul 17 2015 03:09pm)
I think you're looking at the flashy plays instead of making your deck consistent. Sinister Strike does work well with Emperor and Auctioneer but it's not needed to kill your opponent with Malygos (and can be a win more card in a lot of situations). Early variants of the deck (last summer) ran double Sinister Strike because it was a cheap spell for Auctioneer and could be played with a Maylgos on turn 10 for a guaranteed 8 damage. But it's often times not needed because you can already do 15+ damage with Emperor's reduction or a Preparation. What you should be focusing on is making your deck consistent as possible and that starts by removing cards like Sinister Strike, Conceal, and Sabotage as they are very situational cards that are only good in ideal situations.


Sabotage is always useable because of double fan of knives and double flurry.
You always get the target you want.

The only card in this entire deck that I question is the 2nd copy of conceal.
And perhaps changing 1 auctioneer for 1 sprint.

This post was edited by FroggyG on Jul 17 2015 05:15pm
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Jul 17 2015 05:38pm
My brother is running a very similar deck, when he's out of ideal moves, he threw in a head crack.
Keeps damage to the face and renewable. Also instant victory if Malygos survives a turn
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Jul 17 2015 05:47pm
-1 conceal +1 loothoarder
-1 auctioneer +1 sprint

Need lots of draw

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Jul 17 2015 05:57pm
Quote (DrLatBC @ Jul 17 2015 05:12pm)
6 cards above 3 mana isn't slow. Are you high?


I'm willing to bet you're either very low rank or just bad at card games.

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Sabotage is always useable because of double fan of knives and double flurry.
You always get the target you want.

The only card in this entire deck that I question is the 2nd copy of conceal.
And perhaps changing 1 auctioneer for 1 sprint.


Sabotage is a very situational card and even then it's very average. While, yes, as a Rogue you can make Sabotage often times hit your opponents best creature but how many times is it relevant? I'm willing to bet in a lot of the situations that Sabotage is good, so is a spell + Eviscerate or Backstab + Deadly Poison'd weapon. Sabotage is only really good vs. two decks (Handlock and Control Warrior) and they make up a very small percentage of the meta. I could see a valid argument for one if you see a lot of either of those decks, but two is definitely wrong.

And if you think the only possible issue with your deck is the second conceal, then you have a very flawed deck building strategy.

With that said, if you're unwilling to accept constructive criticism for your "1 conceal off perfect deck." then I don't know why you would bother posting it here.

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Jul 17 2015 06:00pm
Quote (Bad Town @ Jul 17 2015 07:57pm)
I'm willing to bet you're either very low rank or just bad at card games.



Sabotage is a very situational card and even then it's very average. While, yes, as a Rogue you can make Sabotage often times hit your opponents best creature but how many times is it relevant? I'm willing to bet in a lot of the situations that Sabotage is good, so is a spell + Eviscerate or Backstab + Deadly Poison'd weapon. Sabotage is only really good vs. two decks (Handlock and Control Warrior) and they make up a very small percentage of the meta. I could see a valid argument for one if you see a lot of either of those decks, but two is definitely wrong.

And if you think the only possible issue with your deck is the second conceal, then you have a very flawed deck building strategy.

With that said, if you're unwilling to accept constructive criticism for your "1 conceal off perfect deck." then I don't know why you would bother posting it here.


wut?

dude his deck is super tempo oriented... not slow.
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Jul 17 2015 07:03pm
Quote (Bad Town @ Jul 17 2015 03:57pm)
Sabotage is a very situational card and even then it's very average. While, yes, as a Rogue you can make Sabotage often times hit your opponents best creature but how many times is it relevant? I'm willing to bet in a lot of the situations that Sabotage is good, so is a spell + Eviscerate or Backstab + Deadly Poison'd weapon. Sabotage is only really good vs. two decks (Handlock and Control Warrior) and they make up a very small percentage of the meta. I could see a valid argument for one if you see a lot of either of those decks, but two is definitely wrong.

And if you think the only possible issue with your deck is the second conceal, then you have a very flawed deck building strategy.

With that said, if you're unwilling to accept constructive criticism for your "1 conceal off perfect deck." then I don't know why you would bother posting it here.


So if the enemy drops any 4+ cost minion in the game, Sabotage is not an equal or better in trade in a LOT of these situations?
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Jul 17 2015 09:03pm
Quote (FroggyG @ Jul 17 2015 07:03pm)
So if the enemy drops any 4+ cost minion in the game, Sabotage is not an equal or better in trade in a LOT of these situations?


The best and most common 4 drop in the game is Piloted Shredder. Sabotage matches up horribly against it.

Most Zoo decks run Voidcaller, which is also good vs. Sabotage.

And that's not even factoring in cards like Haunted Creeper, Muster for Battle, and Implosion that force you to have an aoe clear plus Sabotage to kill a higher priority minion.

Sabotage isn't a good card in today's meta.

I'd go more into it but I don't think you're willing to listen to constructive criticism.

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Jul 17 2015 09:26pm
Quote (Bad Town @ Jul 17 2015 07:03pm)
The best and most common 4 drop in the game is Piloted Shredder. Sabotage matches up horribly against it.

Most Zoo decks run Voidcaller, which is also good vs. Sabotage.

And that's not even factoring in cards like Haunted Creeper, Muster for Battle, and Implosion that force you to have an aoe clear plus Sabotage to kill a higher priority minion.

Sabotage isn't a good card in today's meta.

I'd go more into it but I don't think you're willing to listen to constructive criticism.


Sabotage isn't for the face/aggro matchups (except sometimes Hunter for the weapon)...
It's for the mid range or control decks.
(Just like how a Druid runs BGH)

The fact that 80% of my deck is 4 cost and under is how I deal with aggro.


Just because someone is defending their opinion, it doesn't mean they aren't listening to what you are saying.
If you're looking to help the best way is to continue the discussion and shut down my reasoning.
If I can continuously defend my opinion well then it means you aren't doing a good enough job defending yours.

This post was edited by FroggyG on Jul 17 2015 09:28pm
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