Been playin ffxiv for couple months (lvl 41 only, I'm slow) and I have realized there is no end game trading or pvp viable... The best gear ilvl 115-135 you can't trade and even the fanboys say pvp sucks.. I just want a game were you can trade everything with good pvp and many builds like d2 but a mmo...

I was thinking wait camelot unchained but everything is item decay, wow everything is soulbound... I just want a game with super rare end game items that you can trade.. Look at d2 non ladder even after so many years and so many dupe/hacks/bots items are still worth $.. Why can't an mmo do this? I go spend 2-3 hundred and buy best gear for my char and it doesn't decay to nothing... And a good open world pvp system or even open world duel system...

Every mmo and all the players are so anti money run ultra rare item economy.. Soulbound and item decay... Make items 1000x harder to find and last forever and you can trade them, so if you want gfg pvp char you spend 300$ or play all day every day for 5+ years OR trade smart like in d2... Add in player run shops in town like silkroad online (auction house kills smart trading, just makes people buy cheapest always)... Make items worth something... Like in d2 in 1.10 when you find some crazy rare and no you can sell it on ebay for like 100$, people hate these economies and say they are unfair but that is what makes a game great, trade and pvp, I don't want to grind to lvl 50+ and work hard to gear up just to raid/dungeons forever... I want my work to pay off in wealth/pvp power and if that means a couple rich boys can buy their power so be it.. Some1 grinded for that item and if they want to sell they should b able to... The economy wont get flooded if you make items ultra rare like 1/million chance of dropping and have high population like in d2... Playing solo legit in d2 to make a gfg pvp char would take 5 years and probably still wouldnt b perfect but still most people via trade and shops have gfg gear bt it is not worthless, meaning not flooded, still has value and still hard to find... If d2 had no trade and shit pvp it would just b d3... GARBAGE...

Some1 make a good mmo for f#$! sakes

This post was edited by shadowxr on Mar 30 2015 02:00pm

The only downside to what you're asking for is that the game can be pay2win (unlegit ofc).
Not to mention in most MMOs with raiding gear etc being at the top it doesn't take long to get geared enough (praise the gods of RNG) but to have BiS (best in slot) on the hardest raid difficulty takes months, and you only get 1shot a week.

All in all I think devs saw how D3 was on release with the AH, it wasn't a game, it was a spreadsheet buy low -> sell high trading simulator.

The problem with MMOs is that all in all, they're pretty much the same game, some tweaks, slapped on new artwork. (Yes some may be tab-targetting and some may be action combat, but it all boils down to the same concept)

TL:DR
Devs want you to play for your gear instead of trading / 3rd party shops.

edit:~ I think the game you envision is just not out there. Sorry

This post was edited by mii_ruru on Mar 31 2015 06:50am

archage, getting those high end rare items will be a difficult task tho for sure.

Yea, only thing is some1 told me that in d2 even though it was very gear reliant you could still out skill some1 with decent gear if the guy had better gear. I hear in archeage this is impossible and there is no skill only gear. I want the game to be very gear reliant but I want skill to still matter. So not guildwars were gear is worthless in pvp but not like archeage were skill is worthless. A game were top gear always beats garbage gear but if you have slightly better gear I could still beat you. Like d2.

Lost Ark Online...

Lineage Eternal...




you're welcome

i think u can do pretty well with the right char, and gear
not sure bout the current state but when i played u could farm wpns that where somewhat equal
ofc those crafted ones highest lvl are outstanding for sure.
but not alot ppl got those take that into account.

Lineage eternal?
What kind of trade system? Ah or? No soulbound or untradeable items? Gear reliant skill based pvp?

neither games are released. I just looked them up, both looking epic though.