dota 6.60

i cant find anything that makes him good

i do bad with him every game

Yeah I suck with him too

4x circ
2x branch

i skill the old orb skill to 4 first... grave chill next.... that combo is dirty when u have max damage from it.... the damage output is great if u have been in the lane around dying creeps.... i get guinsoo to treads to orb.... (eye.deso.sny) depends on who im against or whats needed... i think visage is really fun to play haha

Deso
crit
use revenants to scout and just gank like mad

Skadi
Sheep stick
Radiance

/end

Get your +damage / regen skill and then your speed sap skill (I don't remember names.)

Once you hit 6 use your ult and place your bats around the map at crucial spots (rune / woods) and use them as free wards. Keep doing this until 16 when they do sufficient damage.

I usually go Radiance / Sheep and then Heart if the game lasts that long.

It really depends on your team composition and how well the game is going for you. If you're playing semi-support vs heavy AoE, then Mek/Treads/Deso works, with assault as luxury. I haven't seen or tested Pipe, but it could be viable vs very, very heavy AoE. If you farm like a beast, then a rushed radiance works well, maybe get shiva after that for AoE rape. More often than not, deso is the orb of choice; treads/deso/assault makes for a tower destroying monster, especially with the new assault.

If your team lacks disable, then, by all means, get guinsoo.

Skadi is meh, imo. Visage already has a massive slow, and you could get more damage/health for cheaper elsewhere.

Your ulti has a variety of uses, and it is only limited by your ability to micro. You can stack/farm neutrals, use them as wards/scouts (although, that got nerfed quite a bit; it still works ), and they also serve as a big boost of DPS, even early on.

I prefer to play vysg with pt's to hotd to dmg to what u need after that.

Just rice jungle/take unsafe farm with revenants, you can pinch in and buy a set of wards if you really need the vision and noone else can afford it. (believe me, you'll get a LOT more gold than 200 for the 6 min of farming with the revs, also you can with extreme ease get basically every lasthit/deny where they put someone to rice, without even having your hero there.)

This post was edited by Grunthor on Jun 30 2009 08:20am

depends on your team and enemies.
but basic gear like

radiance
bloodstone
mekan
travel
guinsoo
skadi

will do you good

basically, play him as a semi support or semi carry depending on enemy lineup and your team.

if you already have 2 carries, then go support (meka/shivas/guinsoo/etc)

if you have support on your team such as omni/chen/etc, then go carry (radi/deso/buriza/etc)

he is very versatile and can be good at either role.

This post was edited by jlhromeo on Jun 30 2009 09:05am