ofc everyone has diffrent opinions
i would like to know who u would take over AM tho since it seems like u have 7 heros over him.

I have a sad preference to illusion heroes as IMO not a lot can beat adding an amount of damage by % as well as it being some form of survival (a tiny factor of why AM would be high is that manta + his feedback = lol)

If i was to order it:
Medusa, imo top #1, not a lot of single target damage but will destroy a team faster than SPEC will.
Spec, VERY VERY close to medusa as more single target damage and the armor passive is pretty epic, might even be higher than dusa
PL/TB, had forgotten about TB, not entirely sure which i prefer for this.
Sylla, we are talking FULL equip. This means 12 items for sylla, as you can have a full bear also.
AM, i said top 7, which means he would feature somewhere after 4 and before 8
riki
Invoker, if played excedingly well, could easily be in top #3 but most high level players get him to this stage. If i was using him he'd be ranked about 40th my invoker stinks.

Something along those lines, all sorts of heroes which ar every close, very tempted with magnus/tinker, Tinker not really for the 5v5 fight but laming the crap out of your base. BoT, Manta, Skadi, BKB, Guinsoo, Linken/shiva is going to push creeps hella fast then make some mincemeat out of the towers/rax.

This post was edited by mclarke on Oct 26 2011 05:00pm

Medusa is a strong carry, but do you honestly think she #1 ?
Honestly i cant agree with that, even if she is amazingly strong, she do dps over alot of time, while antimage would destroy enemys support heros on 3-4 hits which will do that medusa will be standing back alone against 3+ from the other team cus they are still alive which will result in medusa's team to lose the team fight.

Sylla , amazing, i would put him high on the list, so i agree there.

Invoker is my favorit hero, this hero is just the guy who will make your team win in team fights no matter what kind of skill build you go for, hes amazing. but hes not "the carry" tho, he can be, but hes more like the semi carry.

A good & fast Tinker is also amazing, non-stop sheepstick with his ultimate? oh lol
With mana, this guy will be a treat to the other team.
But again, hes more like the semi carry.

Ever seen a dusa with a divine? you said full items, so dusa's full items: Divine, Aegis, Butterfly, str treads, Manta/guinsoo, Heart/Skadi (if it still allows split shot)

Yes i realise Manta will not stack particularly well with divine, but the 250 damage at 70% is still +200 damage on all her attacks going to 4. The point is manta is partly for confusion, so that there's a chance nukes will hit illusions instead of her (not likely considering you should have mana shield up!) as well as dealing a "decent" amount of damage. Or guinsoo so a very large mana pool as well as a disable, it's actually a really sick item for her.


Personally my definition of a carry: A hero which will WIN the game for you and make sure it is able to farm. I.e by killing the opposing team very very quickly, or by being able to fully rax the opponents without them being able to stop you.
If carry for you means DPS only, then i've already shown my ~top 5 anyway.

In theory silly heroes such as Lich/Kotl would fit into my definition of a carry if played that way. Lets say in a CW you AIM to get your lich agha then refresher ASAP, IMO that would definitely count as the carry. Obviously you would need to end the game in ~40 mins otherwise their carry such as AM would easily kill your carry (i.e lich) and then clear the rest of your team and win from there.

I still see Antimage as a better carry then Medusa tho.

u guys are duM

baratum is 1

tiny best for everything ok

a lot of these heros lack the mobility that am/spec have; at the same time both of them really only need 1 key item relatively early to break the game open. basically they're top picks due to a snowball effect that they have, their unparalleled mobility (blink on am haunt on spec), and how they get really gay (read: hard to shut down) once the game progresses past midgame. weaver is kind of the same, but he's slightly easier to shut down since his escape mech is invis based

dusa is a pretty dumb hero, just don't let it get links/manta up

invoker is in a class of his own for a few reasons: he's among the strongest solos in the game, has insane power/versatility midgame, and this carries over to lategame where he can basically do anything and everything given that the player controlling him is skilled enough

furion is extremely strong as well, and midas lets you build whatever items that the flow of the game necessitates

rest of the rightclicking carries aren't as good as am/spec/weaver due to their lack of mobility/teamfight presence. even if they have one of the two, they're simply easier to negate than am or spec, who are both basically unstoppable once they get a couple of tier 4 items

and to sum it up debating hard carries is pretty stupid because these 1 dimensional heroes pale in comparison to shit like invoker/furion/bat/shadow demon/aa. am/spec/weaver are only in the same class due to how broken they are

ck makes a case for himself due to his stupidly high damage output if they're light on aoe. naix is also seeing some play nowadays due to his ability to easily kill spec and RAGE giving him the ability to dodge spells and shit

heros with innate bash abilities win 1v1s

that gives us troll/sb/void/slardar

maybe PA due to the IAS buff/crits, but MKB nullifies her other big passive. but void wins out anyways due to chrono

I kinda agree with everything in your post tsumugi

Invoker is on my top 3 of favorit heros, and i can easily say without a doubt that he is the best hero ingame, but theres a reason for that, only a good player can play him, i think its well deserved he has been giving so much power since only good invokers can play him well.
You also see him banned in almost every cm game cus a reason, he is simply to good.

Furion , strong hero, you can forrest with him without a problem, the other team never knows when he will show up to gank, early midas = early scepter.
early scepter and midas leads to 6 perfect items extremly fast, and there is no doubt this hero is a ultimativ lategame carry hero.
If you dont got blink or bkb, he will have you in his pocket for like 10 secs? sprout, hex, sprout right after hex. amazing.
I love his tele skill, 20 sec cooldown i feel like a free bird flying around the map, lol.