everyone with his own term's, when i say tank, i mean the one who jumps first, to take most of first skills on him, so rest can do the job, its all about the tactics, ofc supporter does much more, i rly dont understand why your still trying to prove me somthing, it seems like you try to prove somthing that you dont even know what.

anyways good night, im off now, cya.

I've already proved you wrong by your inability to make any valid responses to my statement that you don't understand the intricacies that set apart competitive play from low level play. You also already admitted that there exists low level and high level play, which is set apart by skill. This disproves your statement that DotA takes no skill.



And actually, people who play DotA aren't the elitists. Have I said melee takes no skill? Quite the opposite actually. I used to play RoC melee quite often until TFT was released and I disliked it. The only "elitists" are people like you, who can't play DotA at a competitive level but still try to talk it down.

its pretty sad that DOTA has leagues. thats like having leagues for Green TD.


DOTA is popular cuz it is exactly what the WoW spawns want. a simple game, that takes no real skill other than knowing the items/heros/map. and if you lose you can just blame your team.


dont even try to say it takes "teamwork/strategy" look at games like Counter-Strike for that. Strategy and teamwork is the main game of CS, but it also takes individual skill, one player can headshot the entire other team. dota is just about cookie-cutter strats, like WoW.

This post was edited by wh0racLe on Jul 12 2009 04:43pm

God damned trashcans. The ones who say DotA requires absolutely no skill at all should die in a fire. If there really is no skill involved, what keeps the difference between competitive play and public games? You obviously don't know what you're talking about, and are simply stating the basics of all computer games. The use of a mouse, a keyboard, and a brain, which I highly doubt you have. I'd like to see you do well in a competitive match, and see if you can really hold up to the fact that any idiot who has even a mediocre brain can play DotA properly.

just because it has leagues doesn't mean its a skilled game. There are professional leagues for WoW pvp.


sorry but neither DOTA or WoW are in any way close to other competitive games in terms of skill.

simple answer to all statements, dota takes skill, weather ur opinion is different or not. how good you are at anything can be considered skill which as sad as some of u might think it is, dota has different levels of play. if there wasnt "skill" required in dota, then things like garena would have no use, i know most of u aree stubborn and wont take this as an answer so keep thinking what u want, but if you just start playing and your against someone who has played before there is a huge gap in skill, and for those who are seperating strategy or teamwork etc from skill, its not different. you strategy and the way u play with others determines your skill, ofc teamwork isnt alot, but if you join a gamewith ppl you dont know, it can be hard tp play and work together, playing with ppl you kjnow and have good treamwork with can determine the match from the start, and ofc luck pays a small bit of dota, but it does count for some of it

You're clearly missing my point. I didn't say that the fact it took skill was because there were leagues. There are public leagues filled with publics. Those are so called "leagues". They don't mean anything. If you can't believe that DotA takes any kind of skill, then it's not my problem that you're so very narrow minded. You can reduce any computer game to simple clicks and use of a brain. That's basically saying every other comptuer game in the world doesn't take any skill at all. I'm not going to bother arguing this point anymore. It's really not going to get anywhere

it's hero micro to the extreme

Jesus christ you fail hard...

Viper>Sniper all day any day.

no, i'm not missing your point, it's just a stupid pedantic point.



This post was edited by wh0racLe on Jul 13 2009 01:18am