Generalization? I guess the line 'buriza isn't for support heroes' is a generalization. It's the fucking truth.

And as for bfury, the problem with just a single bfury is the lack of aoe damage it adds in teamfights. The problem with two of them is lack of item slots.

Phase boots shouldn't replace treads, because any hero that would benefit from phase boots has no business getting treads. Of course there may be an exception, but generally speaking this is the case.

So what you're telling me is... You've been goe for a year - and you think your opinion matters in the meta? ic. Treads and early wraiths give you such an early/mid game advantage it's ridiculous. If I see someone *probably you* just rushing bots and a tier 4 item - you're probably going to die. A lot.

Exactly. That's why I'm speaking about 'special occasions'. For example Kunkka with 2 bfuries and buriza, who can just -2 in one hit if he's lucky with crit.

Kunk gets rad.

hey I think its a good opinion first completely shrugging off face boots for carries (in a thread about jugger builds, jugger ironically being one of the heroes that benefit the most from phase boots in the game)

Then saying kunka should get rad (not even considering what might be going on in a game), if you said TA should get deso or pl should get manta I would somehow understand you taking this item choice for granted, but why the fuck would you have knukar get a blind rad.

"As for bot or treads, it's hard to hit 2 extra slashes with bot on level 1 ult, but with treads it's relatively easy. Mobility is far superior in the end, however." No, just no. To get 2 extra slashes with lvl 1 ult you more or less have to be facing the exact right angle at the first and last hit of your omnislash (AKA extremeluckmoder2000), and not like you count on the extra slashes or even need them anyway. HAI PHASE BOOTS GIVE MORE MS THAN BoT also + armor for half cost ahahahahahahahahahaha mb tpscrolls can be an item you try I dont knowed )

and regarding battlefury, its v.strong on jugger lkets u farm 21342 items in ridonkuilous speed (//_X) (also, I think bowser hes a wise man 100x better in head than this omnishug)

This post was edited by Grunthor on Mar 8 2009 07:19am

Depends on the pick. Once again, kunkka is banned in 70% games and in other 30% the other team usually goes smth like puck+potm+wl etc. This combination usually has some badass late like dk/naix, and in THIS situation kunkka with 2 bfuries and buriza (which could be finished ~lvl16-18) can easily remove potm/wl in one splash-crit hit coupled with torrent/ulty. Actually puck can die too if he doesn't use autocast shift.

after being sucked in by this topic, i read a fair bit on juggernaught who i wasnt really that experienced with besides pub ofc, and after reading quite a bit
the next time id play him, i would most likely get phase 2 wraiths, depending on gameplay, deso or butterfly, knowing that going for a t4 item that early is risky, deso would most likely be the option, even though i wouldnt get the extra slashes
battlefury was shunned by 60% of people, within every topic it was suggested, for its lack of attack speed, poor aoe with one, and if you got two, the spots it took where to valuable, and a hyper was commonly suggested over two battlefuries, even though battlefury wasnt suggested much at all
some said early persv, but i think basilus would be fine on the mana, aswell as putting that into a vlad much later, or just tossing it later on for t4 items

i expect banter for my post, ill check later on, im happy to be proven wrong, it will only improve my gameplay, thanks

Treads, Vladmir, bfury, bfly, cuirass, hot.

I think someone needs to learn how to quote, this is impossible to read.

apem noobs only no leavers?