You still don't understand what separates competitive DotA from low level DotA. This discussion is pointless because of this very fact. No point telling someone that doesn't know math why 2+2 is the same as 3+1.

EDIT: Also, Sniper is a horrible wannabe carry who is outclassed by every other carry in the game. And Viper is not a carry.

This post was edited by Spirit-Warrior on Jul 12 2009 03:37pm

But, what if 2+2=5???

Seriously though, I agree.

lol, what makes you think i dont understand it, iv played in leagues as well, i played with great players and great teams.

otherwise i wouldnt talk about this, im not a person who talks about things i dont know, i did, i seen, and i say my opinion.


every hero can be carry, even a techie can be carry.

This post was edited by AntonG on Jul 12 2009 03:39pm

The simple fact that you think 1v1, SH or not, proves anything, just shows you don't understand. Those who DO understand, understand why that statement is true.

the fact you cant prove or show who is better from two in a team game.

because its all dependet on the team, its very hard to say whos better.

unless its a solo, without outside help, only you, and what you do.

you just didnt get what im trying to say here.

anyways im going to sleep now. gn all

This post was edited by AntonG on Jul 12 2009 03:42pm

Actually, you can tell who's better at what hero. I already commented on this.

That simply is not true.

Anyone who understands the game can easily tell apart a good support player from a bad one. This is the reason why Ks.int's Miracle is such a spectacular player. He is always under leveled, always dies a lot, never has a lot of items, yet he is an amazing player.

That's just one example. Anyone who understands the intricacies of the game can figure out who is good and who is bad just from watching.

your right, supporter deny/tanks/ does everything that helps the carry to grow.

but that only works in HOME team, not pubbies or any other leagues.

now can i please go sleep :D?

This post was edited by AntonG on Jul 12 2009 03:45pm

because it takes no skill and people who suck at the real game can be elitist in it

What? Support doesn't just help the carry farm. In the beginning, they may often lane with a carry to baby sit if the carry is not a good solo, but the support hero(es) do much more than just help the carry.

"Tanks" don't exist in DotA. You can't force people to attack you (well, unless you're Axe). Initiators don't do anything to help a carry farm, they initiate.

HOME team? What does that even mean?

"not pubbies or any other leagues." This statement means you realize pubs are not at the standard of competitive play. What sets apart low level from high level play? "Skill."